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gegsy wrote:HTH
Heavens tamergatroid!!!
Very helpful Greg thanks but it will take me a while to take all that in, slush it around my brain and figure what the hell is happening with these new electronic gizmo’s? 😯
…meanwhile I’ll just chuck in some regular powder I reckon, to save troubling my machines brain 😆
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Oh yes, almost ALL dishwashers these days will work very well with a hot water supply (8 litres per minute and below 60 degrees C is just perfect )
The main problem with this is when the soiling is protein based, egg is a great culprit and is further cooked when introduced to a hot fill instead of being rinsed off. There is also the shock factor to the load from being cold to very hot quickly. Another is the enzymes in the detergent apparently respond better for being allowed to heat with the solution, rather than immediate hot contact. Apart from energy ratings for, a genuine reason for cold fill only on w/m’s.
But there is the old option of H & C fill, …….distant memories of the Ariston Aristella.Andy
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The manufacturers know full well that dishwashers cannot go without salt in hard water areas so why do they not (or more to point whay are they not made to!) include this information in their marketing blurb/ads?
Cynical? Who, me?
Next I’ll hear it being said that Calgon is value for money!
Shiny elements indeed!!
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ANDYVIVO wrote: Another is the enzymes in the detergent apparently respond better for being allowed to heat with the solution, rather than immediate hot contact.
That is the only true factor in your statement Andy, indeed the 3 in 1 types are so designed for that instance.
“Proteins, egg, shock with hard water?”………….do please pardon the pun here but that doesn’t wash with me. Every Sunday morning the wife does me a cooked breakfast (lucky me eh?), fried egg left on the plate and put in the dishwasher. Dishwasher not switched on until after 10 pm, plenty of time for that egg to weld itself to the plate by now! Dishwasher is connected to hot water supply (oh yes!)…..next morning 7a.m we unload the machine and put the shiny dishes and crocks away….thanks go to Fairy Active Bursts!
It’s thermal shock that Andy is referring too Martin and it can damage some crockery and especially glass. It’s not advisable to hot fill a dishwasher and, while it may work for you, it may well not for others.
Dairy product residues don’t come off properly in hot water (it’s the calcium in them IIRC) and it can dull stuff over time if you wash in warm/hot water.
K.
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kwatt wrote:Read the packs Gertrude… carefully. 😉
Calgon, check out who makes it. 😉
K.
Ken,
it’s the advertising that could be perceived as misleading, for both products!
Purely if one were of a disbelieving nature of course! 😉And as for Calgon, now let me see, one wash, ok. Now is it two, three or four rinses these days? 😕
So how does the rinse water get softened to prevent limescale build up?
It doesn’t? Oh. 😮 😛
It never ceases to amaze me how many marvellous (ahem!) products get past the extremely strict and ‘independent’ regulatory body, the Advertising Standards Authority! 🙄Calgon or Soda Crystals. Which one’s a lot cheaper than the other?
I wonder when Calgon will Finish. Oops! Freudian slip!
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Gertrude wrote:Calgon or Soda Crystals. Which one’s a lot cheaper than the other?
A little ‘off topic’ here regarding Calgon as that has no relevance with regard to dishwashers. 😕
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Yeah,
Just after I sent it I thought that maybe someone would point that out!
Sorry.
Still a worthwhile comment though (in the right context, of course! 🙂 )
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I didn’t realise we were so strict on topics. On your point about Calgon Gertrude – I think the limescale damage they claim to deal with is caused when water is heated, which is why they always show the heating elements all caked up. I don’t think limescale has so much of a detrimental effect when it’s in cold water. That’s why most limescale problems are associated with kettle elements, immersion heaters, washing machine elements etc.
Having said that, the idea of spending hundreds of pounds indefinitely to deal with only one appliance is seriously short termism.
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Just shows what little I know!! 😳
“Hard Water is effectively a solution of Calcium Carbonate (CaCO3). When hard water is heated up in your house or when the water pressure changes as it does when leaving a tap or suddenly changing direction in an L-bend pipe, the Calcium Carbonate comes out of solution and reverts back to chalk once again. This chalk is of course now called limescale but is still hard deposits of chalk.”
I’ll leave it at that then.
Gert slopes off muttering quietly to himself “Still think Calgon is a waste of money!” :clown:
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Gertrude wrote:I’ll leave it at that then.
No, no Gertrude please don’t drop the subject as your input is most valued in the overall context of the thing. I was merely pointing out that Calgon doesn’t come into the equation where dishwashers are concerned. And I too think it an expensive waste of money! 😉
So having put that to one side for the moment, water hardness and not using salt in a dishwasher that should otherwise be using it, is a source of puzzle and mystery to me and I am far from convinced on the issue. Far from convinced that using the likes of Fairy Active Bursts or your other brands of 3 in 1’s will be an adequate substitute. I do agree that the use of rinse aid is unnecessary when using these modern day tablets, but not putting salt into a regeneration device that is designed for the purpose I find hard to comprehend??
Gertrude wrote:the Calcium Carbonate comes out of solution and reverts back to chalk once again
Indeed so and that has always been my point about water inlet matrix’s and IWMS’s on various makes of dishwasher, they simply clog up with the stuff and fail. Which is great for us repairers having to replace them, I agree but that fact alone proves the need for salt, surely?
But hey, I’ve said all this before, I’m like an old 78 record stuck in the groove I suppose? :clown:
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I may be mistaken but I was under the impression that Fairy Active Bursts already contained rinse aid in the liquid side of the pouch, am I wrong? The reason I pose the question is in regard to this recent post by one of our most highly respected members.
We like the new Fairy Bursts – low froth and it cleans your crockery. You do need to keep the rinse aid topped up though.
Jim. 😕
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Well big George is logged on, perhaps he will put me right. 😀
On the other hand.. http://tinyurl.com/uhata 😉
Jim.
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