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Re: ISE dishwasher
Coigach wrote:
Ironically, the promise of a ten-year protected guarantee which now appears useless and the indication that it used standard parts — which may or may not be of some relevance in the future.I must have missed something. why is it useless? has ISE stopped trading?
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Yup. Wasn’t just deliveries that let them down, seems many outside factors brought the company down, all beyond the management of industry experts control.
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oh 🙁 So what do i buy now? Is there a new consensus? I bought a Siemens IQ700 tumble dryer only 2 years ago and already it’s gone wrong because of fluff build up in the bottom. The chap had to unstrap the belt to “clean” it with the wire coat hanger and towel combo that I gave to him. So I’m slightly hesitant about another Siemens, unless someone can tell me different.
Bosch is Siemens now isnt it? It’s so damned confusing really and not very transparent to the non-discerning consumer.
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ISE machines where built by Merloni who owned the Swedish company that built ISE machines, they also own Indesit, Hotpoint etc. They sold to Gorenje in 2010, so ISE appliances where basically semi commercial products built by a big outfit. Any commercial product will outlast a domestic one, but you’ll pay for it. Bit like Redbull turning up to an amateur track day at Silverstone, your BMW M3 ain’t gonna compete, unless your doing the shopping or school run.
Appliances like all products will need maintenance, components have a life and each use will reduce that, like your car’s brake pads, clutch etc. Expecting your products to last without that maintenance does not indicate it’s quality and shouldn’t be a guide to future buying.
Bosch/Siemens has 4 factories operating 365 days a week. They worked out in one 24 hr period if one factory placed it’s finished products side by side each other they would stretch 5 miles in length. To keep people in work the factories need to fill demand and that means products cannot last for ever. It’s simple economics.As for what to buy in the future, look At what you need function wise, product appearance, price and keep in mind price not always reflects quality and brands buy in from external sources, a lot. There are maybe 5 ish sources yet the store may stock 30 ish products of various names.
Good luck.
Ps Siemens sold it’s share to Bosch. It was only ever a name partnership anyway, basic Bosch machines with extra sound proofing to make them less noisy but bigger profit margins.
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AFAIK Asko was owned by Antonio Merloni who had nothing whatsoever to do with Indesit.
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I stand corrected then. Wrong brother. Still not a small player though and that was the point of my comments.
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Although l didn’t actually state which Merloni brother, so to be pedantic, I’m actually correct as a Merloni owned both Indesit and Asko.
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lee8 wrote:
As for what to buy in the future, look At what you need function wise, product appearance, price and keep in mind price not always reflects quality and brands buy in from external sources, a lot. There are maybe 5 ish sources yet the store may stock 30 ish products of various names.That was very interesting, however I have now considered what i need. I looked at the premium Bosch http://www.bosch-home.co.uk/our-products/dishwashers/fullsize-dishwashers/dishwasher-range/SMS69L32GB.html?source=browse.
Though from what I’ve read the new “tray” for cutlery (rather than basket), slides in at the very top, stops wine glasses from going in.
It’s £500 and there’s currently £70 cashback and 3 months supply of Finish dishwasher tabs with the product. Go through Quidco as well.
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frustin wrote:
I looked at the premium Bosch http://www.bosch-home.co.uk/our-products/dishwashers/fullsize-dishwashers/dishwasher-range/SMS69L32GB.html?source=browse.
Great choice of machine, I have that model at home you don’t hear it running unless you put your ear to it 😀frustin wrote:
Though from what I’ve read the new “tray” for cutlery (rather than basket), slides in at the very top, stops wine glasses from going in.Yes the cutlery tray is at the top and I must admit when we first had it I thought what a faff but after a while you load it to your liking, I have to say the cutlery wash results are superb.
No cutlery basket in the bottom tray means there is also more room. Wine glasses still fit as well. If you have really long stems you can drop the top basket height without removing it.
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You could try the new LG induction models, as they have dramatically redesigned internal components it has allowed that wasted space to be freed up for a larger cavity capacity. Running costs also reduced.
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