- This topic has 44 replies, 10 voices, and was last updated 17 years, 5 months ago by
.
-
Posts
-
Re: ISE10 1400/1600 induction motor ?
I don’t wish to debate. I’m just one of those old fashioned customers that wants to know what they’re buying. It was easier 15 years ago but still it’s not that bad now.
Right now I’ve cornered it down to the Maytag and the ISE10. I guess I’m doing something right ?
I now understand that the Maytag model MAF9501AEW is the same as your 1st batch of ISE10’s but not your current. It’s an ASKO machine that you were happy to pass as an ISE10 so it can’t be all that bad.
I also understand you will probably not be changing your stance and understand your ethics. However a company that says never in todays economic climate, is either extremely brave and financially strong or worth wishing all the best to…. Tough times certainly instore, even for engineers…..
Re: ISE10 1400/1600 induction motor ?
ekkostar wrote:I also understand you will probably not be changing your stance and understand your ethics. However a company that says never in todays economic climate, is either extremely brave and financially strong or worth wishing all the best to…. Tough times certainly instore, even for engineers…..
I didn’t say change would never happen but, at present, I can see no call for it. I think that ISE offers people an awful lot at a very fair price but we don’t play the game of cutting prices and service levels.
We’re honest in what we do and are quite open about all we do, much more so than most.
We don’t place profit first like most do. Our priorities lie with customer service and good machines, that’s it really.
Many people are very happy with that, so we’re told by people that have the machines.
I can’t say that the Maytag model is the same as the initial incorrect 10’s we had as I am unfamiliar with the machine.
Irrespective of the current financial markets we do what we do, they have little to no effect on us as, ISE is very sound and remains pretty much immune to it all.
K.
Re: ISE10 1400/1600 induction motor ?
Well the blurb from Maytag is not too dissimilar from what you guys say….
15 years is an unusually long life for a washer. To have the potential to last that long it needs to be strong and dependable. But it’s the thought given to detail that makes a massive difference too. Like the unique 4-point suspension system, with its unrivalled stability…for less vibration and noise. Or the seal mounted on the door, not the machine, to reduce wear and tear when clothes are pulled out. Or the choice of programmes which help you wash perfectly – every time – without the machine running a second longer than necessary. It’s not so much a case of whether to choose a 60 Series…as which one?
Well, it pretty much looks like a ISE10 and it’s 1400 AAB, which seems like it’s the 1st ISE10’s
They also have this one MAF9602AES, which is 1600 AAA, which seems like the current ISE10 in spec but they only do it in stainless steel.
It seems the ISE10 is either one of these machines or sits in between them in terms of spec. I cannot see why ASKO would completely stop there production line to build a bespoke machine. I can understand that they swap components such as motor from one model to the next to your spec.
Furthermore if ASKO have a good reputation I also don’t see why they would go out to make one machine drastically inferior/superior to the other. Not sure they could do or would want to make anything markedly inferior?
Re: ISE10 1400/1600 induction motor ?
To any casual observer it would appear that ekkostar has some obscure unfathomable point to make that ultimately has been lost to him by the excellent response he has received in reply to his questioning.
ISE10 is without doubt the best machine of it’s type, and, more importantly, it’s concept, on the market today – fact!
No other machine, whether it has a Maytag badge or Asko badge on it, offers any comparable long term value – fact!
ISE10 is not only the most reliable and efficient machine available today but offers very long term economic sense with a price tag to match – fact!
I don’t know what it would take to convince ekkostar of those facts but to me as purely “a casual observer”, I think the point is lost on him and he’s becoming a little irritating – IMHO of course 😉
Re: ISE10 1400/1600 induction motor ?
Na, it’s okay helo.
I think the points have been made as, with the Asko built Maytag that is close to the spec of the 10 it’s knocking on for the same price with only a two year warranty. I don’t think anyone would dismiss that fact when buying.
But what it does demonstrate quite clearly is that, if you want to save money by down-specifying components, you can do and it can have a dramatic effect on pricing.
What Ekkostar hasn’t quite gotten is that the first batch of 10’s with the 1400 spin were sent with the wrong spec in error, they were never intended to be produced. We have never specified a 1400rpm machine, period, across the range and we did not spec that machine, I know as I was the person that specified the machine in the first place!
The current ISE10 was the intended spec.
Also it should be noted that Maytag are owned and have now moved to Whirlpool and, very likely, parts pricing will fall in line with other Whirlpool product. I’ll let you guys explain what that means. 😉
What the Maytag build requirement and specs were I’ve no clue.
K.
Re: ISE10 1400/1600 induction motor ?
Guys the only people responding on this thread seem to be admin and super users. It’s clearly not the casual observer.
Personally I’ve narrowed it down to 2 serious contenders for me, this Maytag and the ISE10. There is a fair divide in price but not as clear in quality. Point about aftercare service is noted as well.
The Maytag would cost me £480 delivered with a 2 year plus 1 year CC warranty included (3 years in total). That is £319 less than the ISE10 or 66{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} of the cost of the Maytag.
The points you are making are not lost on me. Hopefully by the research I have done on this so far I doubt you could say I was being silly. I’m actually being quite informed by it all. I hope others are too.
Both ISE and Maytag claim to use “a unique 4-point suspension system” and they both depict the same photo. It’s certainly not unique if both companies are using the same system and even use the same photo is it ! It’s easy to point at me however I’m not the one who’s making the claims from both of these companies.
If you must speak about casual observer then the similarities I would guess appear to be rather intriguingly close between these two models as well as the differences.
On another note if you wish to close this thread down please go ahead. However I see absolutely nothing wrong with it nor the comparisons that I have raised between two quite apparently not too dissimilar machines nor the manner that I have done so. If that sort of thing irritates you then I’m afraid that’s more to do with you rather than me.
Re: ISE10 1400/1600 induction motor ?
Make a decision and buy one. I’m the Leeds ISE agent; please don’t live in Leeds, because I’ll refuse to sell you one. I’m losing the will to live over this thread.
ASKO make washing machines. Maytag buy one from them, we buy one from them. They’re built on the same chassis, we both specify the options needed with regard to control, programmes, spins and all the rest of the bells and whistles. We’ve told you what we specified, we have no idea what Maytag want.
I really just don’t need a sale this much.
Penguin45.
Re: ISE10 1400/1600 induction motor ?
Penguin45 wrote:Make a decision and buy one.
Easier said than done.
No ISE10’s around here for at least another 4 weeks or so. Spoke to Maytag and they are waiting on a shipment of 50 this month as well. No where to go see either machine in the flesh, only brochures, pdf files or forums in the meantime.
Unfortunately it all leads back to here to ask the questions and find out more and seemingly you guys are getting irritated by that.
I think in which case better to close this thread. I’ll ask in another forum.
Re: ISE10 1400/1600 induction motor ?
Well, Ekkostar, I’ve sat on the sidelines for a while.
don’t know, (or care) what “status” the Forum puts on my attempts to help folks from the viewpoint of a keen amateur repairer.
Ford Motor Co, produce a range of products……you can buy a “base” Fiesta, or pay twice as much for THE SAME tin box, with Ghia trim etc……and, yes! the mechanical components WILL often be better….the car rides and handles better, the engine’s more sophisticated……..
So, you found 2 different models coming out of the same factory,
you established that there’s a KNOWN difference in the motor dept.you can’t seriously expect the engineers here to buy a Maytag,just to establish wether the component -spec.is the same as the ISE.
AXA is in the deal to make a profit…they WON’T accept a bad risk.
-so they’re pretty confident that they will keep the bulk of the premiums for themselves.
the engineers need happy customers-that means the product that an engineer sells, HAS to give satisfaction….otherwise his reputation goes down the toilet and his living with it.
So , he and his mates clubbed together, funded, specified and marketed a risk-free package of 10 years washing (as much as you like! ) for £80 a year.After that, spares are sold at cost (labour-only to fit)
Compare that with my Richard Cranium eldest son.
Just been to Comet and paid £120 for a Haier.
It will perform badly and noisily. (when it DOES work )
the spotty teenage “salesman” will have left for pastures new…the replacement Droid will not give a damn.
the call-centre will bull5h1t and bluster and keep him on “hold”
The engineer will be cheesed -off with the constant grief he gets from disappointed punters and hands covered in Elastoplast doesn’t help his karma, either.
Then he disappears for a couple of weeks whilst the part arrives.
but that doesn’t cure the fault.
Then he disappears for a couple of weeks whilst the part arrives.
but that doesn’t cure the fault.and repeat…..
meanwhile the Launderette is making a living again, the car stinks like a rugby-club changing -room….their “entertainment is sitting watching 2life in the laundromat.Ah, BUT, Dad, It’s got a year’s warranty, they HAVE to fix it for free.
Yea, OK son, meanwhile I’ll put a set of drum-bearings in your old machine (which did 4 years and moved Lancs -Brighton-Cheshire as well)
For that, you’ll have another maintenance-free couple of years, like your £10,000 car.
Oh, NO ! we have that serviced every 6,00 miles, usually around £120,and it’s only broken down once in 4 years ……erm, about the same as the washer did with NO maintenance……..
So, you see, the box may LOOK the same,contents may vary!
Employees of big companies seldom carry personal responsibility for the end-consumer.
If you want a lower price for a similar machine, are happy to run the gauntlet of “customer service” and their spares availability and pricing,
go ahead,-your “down-payment ” WILL be substantially lower-That’s because YOU are underwriting the 7-8 years differential in warranties.
your call!
Re: ISE10 1400/1600 induction motor ?
cockney steve wrote: your call!
The shame of it is that ekkostar has gone “to another forum” and won’t be reading your excellent synopsis Steve. But my guess is he never was good at maths to realise the investment of just £80 a year over 10 years for trouble free laundry was his primary objective! :rolls:
You can take a horse to water…………………………..
Re: ISE10 1400/1600 induction motor ?
Martin wrote:But my guess is he never was good at maths to realise the investment of just £80 a year over 10 years for trouble free laundry was his primary objective! :rolls:
Didn’t realise this thread was still going !
My maths is perfectly fine thank you and probably far sharper than yours 😉
Even if you bought a Haier for £120 and all it last you was one year it’s cost you £120. If it lasts two years (which is not unreasonable for a machine) it’s down to £60 p/a. If you’re buying on a budget, which is a point seemingly lost on all of you, it makes perfect sense for lots of people to plump on a cheaper machine.
Don’t believe me ???? I bet they sell thousands more than the ISE 10’s that you guys sell !
Anyway on a personal note I made a decision, no it was not the ISE10 nor the MAF9501 but I went with another Maytag machine instead ! I think it’s a good machine (?), the service I got at the retailer was brilliant and I got offered what I thought was a great deal.
Re: ISE10 1400/1600 induction motor ?
I’ll wish you luck with your choice.
This discussion has gone far enough and is now degenerating into personal comments.
Penguin45,
Moderator.Re: ISE10 1400/1600 induction motor ?
ekkostar wrote: If it lasts two years (which is not unreasonable for a machine) it’s down to £60 p/a. If you’re buying on a budget, which is a point seemingly lost on all of you, it makes perfect sense for lots of people to plump on a cheaper machine.
Not really if you do the math correctly.
ekkostar wrote:Don’t believe me ???? I bet they sell thousands more than the ISE 10’s that you guys sell.
Yup, they do. Good luck to them.
K.
- The topic ‘ISE10 1400/1600 induction motor ?’ is closed to new replies.