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Re: New way to replace Bosch brushes.
Dead easy Mike.
I think that there are certain subjects and level of detail that should not be in the public domain.
I do not think that we should, publicly, slag off manufacturers or WP’s et all for non-payment or have the information available in the Rumour Mill as an example, open to public scrutiny.
I do not think that we should provide a blow-by-blow account of how to do certain things. Largely to protect the trade but there has to be some things that we have to let go of IMO.
I do not believe that the trade members should have to ask for help on a repair in public or, the same thing really, have to say that they are unsure or don’t know.
The last one being the most damaging.
Can you imagine, a doctor on a web forum asking for help to remove an appendix? It’s not exactly going to inspire confidence in the profession is it? 😉
I do however strongly believe that the trade members should be able to do pretty much just that. But, in private to as much a degree as possible.
At the same time it often shows just what cr4p information we get to work with from some that actually make the damn things and the utter lack of support in many cases. But, within a controlled environment.
All manufacturers have, more or less a presence here in one form or another, you can see how often they help, some do, most don’t.
So they make cheap cr4p that break, then don’t offer any support at all to anyone outside their own, public or not.
It’s all a balancing act. Trouble for me is that it isn’t, IMO, balanced in the direction of the repairer, be that agency or private work.
So, whilst I may not agree with many of the comments on this thread make no mistake, I will always fight the cause of the indies. End of story.
K.
Re: New way to replace Bosch brushes.
Penguin45 wrote:As the “Guilty Party” in this horrid little affair, I’ve kept right out of it; but that, Mike, is just plain stupid.
If you’re guilty then I’m due a hanging sometime soon. 😉
And, if some are so inclined, I’m not exactly hard to find. In fact, I’ll be at a big meeting in September with a few other “criminals” as well if anyone’s interested. I might even put together another “Bob” over the head of this thread.
And anyway, shouldn’t it be a “sordid affair”. 😉
K.
Re: New way to replace Bosch brushes.
kwatt wrote:I do not think that we should provide a blow-by-blow account of how to do certain things. Largely to protect the trade but there has to be some things that we have to let go of IMO.
I understand you’ve got a difficult balancing act. Can’t please ’em all 😉 . I think it’s good to have this discussion from time to time about where the line should be drawn.
Mike.Re: New way to replace Bosch brushes.
Sordid is what happens between two people in private. This has been rather public…
No, I’m not happy. There’s a core group on this site who bust a gut to help people. Days and hours of work put in for no tangible reward, other than providing information, advice, support, numbers, sources and money making opportunities, all for free, no questions and no reward expected.
There are trade members of this site learning the job through the forums. There are trade members who post questions so basic that you wonder what they’ve been doing with their time. Their are trade members who struggle to express themselves clearly. If possible, all the questions get answered without extra comment. There are also people who wander in occasionally, want info, can’t say thanks and then complain that they can have help but others shouldn’t. Hello …..?
If you give all this away for free, there has to be a balance or compromise. My pennance, and the other Moderators, Admin and a blessed few others is to make the Public Forums work. It’s what keeps the site alive and free. Keep the page counts up and you’ll get advertising, some sponsorship and life gets a little easier for all of us.
As far as this bl@@dy video is concerned, it’s a sales tool. Go into shop@, select ->Washing Machines->Bosch -> Carbon Brushes. Tab down and there it is. It is not promoted in any way on YouTube and has been quietly sat there for the last six months-odd, helping shop@ sell brushes for the extra £3 profit that retail brings, until the House Troll chose to blow the whistle on it by posting the YouTube link. Context you see, context. After you’ve advised how to do the job about a hundred times, you start losing the will to live – it’s a one time fix, job done.
Perhaps our grumblers might like to spend some time in Articles and Help and advise us how they should be handled? Better still, go and lobby your local DIY store to close – or – at least steal all their “How To” fliers. After all, plumbers, painters and plasters are suffering as well.
Anyway. A few bridges burnt in this thread as far as I’m concerned with regard to our lovely membership.
Remember: “Push, lift, pull and out”.
Chris.
Re: New way to replace Bosch brushes.
Oh, Ken – don’t worry about the rope – it’ll be a budget Chinese job.
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Re: New way to replace Bosch brushes.
You have read my signature Chris haven’t you? 😉
We do what we can with what we’ve got. It’s been that way since the start, I doubt it’ll change.
As to the video, on balance I’ve done a bit of digging due to this thread and I have to say, I’ve been shocked by the amount of information out there that’s freely available for free. I’m talking full on, how to do it videos and blow-by-blow tutorials. Yours is tame by comparison.
Don’t get me started on B&Q. 😉
K.
Re: New way to replace Bosch brushes.
Penguin wrote go and lobby your local DIY store to close – or – at least steal all their “How To” fliers. After all, plumbers, painters and plasters are suffering as well.
Pure genius how can you argue with that!
As for tradesmen learning of this site.It doesnt matter If youve been in the trade for forty years or forty minutes nobody knows everything. I challenge anyone to come forward who has never learnt anything of this site. Even you penguin 😉Re: New way to replace Bosch brushes.
rolf wrote: Even you penguin 😉
Hes only a baby… :rolls: 😆
Totally agree though, I have gained masses of valuable information from UKWG’s, impossible to put a value on it, priceless, in fact that is exactly what it is,
Free, zippo, zilch, nothing, priceLESS.
Re: New way to replace Bosch brushes.
I agree. UKW saved my business a few years ago. Now some of my competition recommend me for certain jobs. Ironic.
S.
Re: New way to replace Bosch brushes.
rolf wrote:Even you penguin 😉
I’ve pondered this comment and what it might really mean before replying. I’ll freely admit that I have learnt plenty of technical stuff from the site – indeed, I found it in the first place by typing “Zanussi error code” into Google in a fit of peek having come second to the first orange button machine I’d come across.
However, I have a logical mind and solve most problems from first principals, quickly learning that “Error Codes” are no substitute for testing, learning and experience.
Mores to the point, I’ve learnt a huge amount about the industry through UKW; how it works and how it largley doesn’t. As an Independent sole trader, I had no idea about that unique form of slavery called “work providers”, for instance.
What I have really had brought home to me repeatedly over the past 5 years is human nature; just how generous, selfish, helpful, obstructive, friendly, rude, arrogant, humble, bright, ignorant and all sorts of shades of gratitude people will demonstrate.
I have formed genuine friendships through UKW, and there’s one or two whom I wouldn’t miss if they stepped in front of a bus. Before any of the site comedians step in, I’ll state right now that the second group does not include Martin. We may not see eye to eye over many things, but I wish him no harm and enjoy the debate. Most of the time.
I’d like to think that I do my best, along with so many others. I don’t think you can do much more if you genuinely care.
Simon says UKW helped to save his business – fantastic. I’d like to state for the record that one of my suppliers (!) kept me afloat many years before UKW was thought of and I was stupid enough to bank with Yorkshire Bank. They’re still going strong and he knows who he is – to this day I’m still grateful.
There are good people doing good things in this business, for the benefit of all of us. Let’s just get on with it and try not to have hysterics about petty details.
Chris.
Re: New way to replace Bosch brushes.
Well said, Chris!!
I think it is a privilege to be involved in UKW and to all the engineers that have helped me in the past few years, thanks very much!
The decline in this industry came with the onslaught of the sheds with cheap machines and the subsequent closing of the independent shops in my area. These shops and service centres were full of real characters – and my formative years in this trade were very happy ones. We knew each other and would help each other out with problems. As the shops closed, so the people I knew left for other things or started on their own. The trade as I knew it floated apart; the engineers now became islands.
UKW has accomplished several major things – to allow individual engineers access to parts information, technical help to allow you to repair stuff you’d never have considered before, a wider insight into an industry that we all work in, and most of all, the community thing. That is probably the best thing that UKW has done for this trade. Long may it continue.
There are a lot of people on this site who give freely of their time and expertise to help others. The community thing can help bolster the conditions and brighten the future for this trade. Some are involved in the Whitegoods Trade Association, (all of whom pay their own way at meetings BTW); the sole purpose of these meetings are to further the fortunes of this trade for everyone.
You may not take it seriously; but sooner or later the Government will step in and regulate us whether we like it or not. It’s starting – the F – Gas regs start on 4th July. What next?
Martin’s anarchic humour is poignant because sometimes he writes bluntly what the average Joe public is probably thinking. Uncomfortable as it is, the public will and do repair their own stuff; we have little control over that. If you give them advice and they succeed, they will remember the gesture and use you again. If you are obstuctive, you will lose respect and the chance of the job. It’s a tough call.
If I had to pay to access this site, I’d be happy. If UKW sells a few sets of brushes and access is kept free, I’m happier still because I’ll still get what I need from UKW to assist me in my work without extra cost to me.Steve.
Re: New way to replace Bosch brushes.
i find it just as easy to tip applaince back slightly and lie on the floor like a commando lying in wait in the long grass for the enemy, soz got side tracked…anyways, from this position it is quite easy to replkace both carbon brushes without the removal of the motor.
so there you have it, all found out with an appliance that would never have come all the way out (a bit like george michael in the early days!).
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Re: New way to replace Bosch brushes.
I do some like that but there are some where the brushes are vertically orientated and I don’t think you can get the top one out in those cases because it’s against the drum above it – think it’s the dual tag ones. Anyway, if it’s a fine day it’s much more pleasant to whip the motor off and take it out in the backyard to give it a bit of a clean.
Mike.Re: New way to replace Bosch brushes.
The trade section is a engineers GODSEND imo for many reasons.
One the other day i think was about dryer belts and fitting them, although i knew there was a tool for the job i never purchased one and have struggled and sweat on many occasions fitting them, until ( think it was iadom) mentioned using the tool i decided to buy one…..what a blooody GODSEND that is now too….
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