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Miele are all marketing hype dont belive thier bs , buy cheap and aim to replace every 3-4 years if lucky , why pay 2000 for some guff , when you can buy near 7 machines for that ?
And that is part of the reason that you can’t get really good quality machines any longer, many people simply take the view that it’s more cost-effective to buy cheap and toss them when done. Damn the environment.
Manufacturers play to that and as more and more people take that road, the more manufacturers do.
Here’s the thing though that many people may not consider, those cheap machines do not actually perform all that well.
After all, what is the point of a washing machine, why do people buy one?
It is to clean their laundry items.
How many buyers actually consider the wash results that they are to get, how well the machine cares for the hundreds and all too often thousands of pounds worth of clothing that you want cleaned in it? I suspect most just look at the price, the looks, the features (whatever matters) and the stupid energy stuff.
To presume that they all perform the same is naive at best as they most certainly do not and the cheaper end of the market, some are shockingly bad at cleaning. So you could well end up tossing hundreds of pounds worth of clothing that’s not washed correctly (bad for your finances, bad for the environment) and tossing machines (bad for your finances, bad for the environment) as well as wandering about in poorly cleaned laundry, sleeping in it, drying yourself with it and the obvious, in the current pandemic, hygiene issues that are raised.
Personally, I would prefer a machine that actually does what it is intended to do than some cheap junk that does not.
The laugh is, most buyers would never know, like some other things (bagless cleaners anyone?) it’s not till you use a good one that you actually see and realise the vast gulf of a difference between cheap junk that pretends to do the job and a machine that actually does.
K.
Gokhk wrote:Miele are all marketing hype dont belive thier bs , buy cheap and aim to replace every 3-4 years if lucky , why pay 2000 for some guff , when you can buy near 7 machines for that ?
You’re obviously not a member of XR then, still a totally disastrous way to think given the environmental damage your suggestions will cause.:mad:
iadom wrote:
You’re obviously not a member of XR then, still a totally disastrous way to think given the environmental damage your suggestions will cause.:mad:
Actually guys before judging someone perhaps know them better , Iv stated several times on this forum that I’m a big advocate for buying second hand quality machines that can be maintained an repaired whist they are generally built better think 10 year old bosch or Miele before the penny pinching era.The fact sadly remains that if the OP doesn’t want to take my approach or pay £2000 then there is little other choice , perhaps direct your sarky comments at manufacturers rather than individual like me.
you cant blame the manufacturers they are just following a trend and income stream. If they did not sell the machines then they would very quickly change things.
As for the second hand market,well sealed tubs have almost knocked that on the head. Take the Hotpoint made 20 years ago, i can still get a bearing kit for around £20 and with about 2 hours work i can completly recondition the whole mahine including a deep clean. When bearing fail now its a sealed tub costing over £100 and even if you find one thats ok you cant be sure if it will fail in the guarentee,which means a refund because its not worth fixingDave
electrofix wrote:you cant blame the manufacturers they are just following a trend and income stream. If they did not sell the machines then they would very quickly change things.
As for the second hand market,well sealed tubs have almost knocked that on the head. Take the Hotpoint made 20 years ago, i can still get a bearing kit for around £20 and with about 2 hours work i can completly recondition the whole mahine including a deep clean. When bearing fail now its a sealed tub costing over £100 and even if you find one thats ok you cant be sure if it will fail in the guarentee,which means a refund because its not worth fixingDave
Yeah i agree dave but 100 still better than a 300-400 sealed system but as i stated sadly economics play there part for me i would rather spend more fixing an old machine that toss in the bin but at some point you have to draw the line at whats feasible you. Touch wood iv had good luck bar the AEG which iv given up on for now as it washes fine.
Murv if you have a decent independant appliance shop check out their recon stuff as if they are good it will be better than some of the new stuff and cheaper to boot.
Gokhk wrote:The fact sadly remains that if the OP doesn’t want to take my approach or pay £2000 then there is little other choice , perhaps direct your sarky comments at manufacturers rather than individual like me.
It’s not intended that way.
All in the trade get utterly frustrated at people and, I could stop there but won’t on this topic. 😉
The reason we all get so exasperated about this is we constantly have people harping on about how **** machines are, don’t work well, break yadda yadda then atop that you can’t fix them.
And it’s ever so easy to point the finger of blame at manufacturers and say it’s all their fault but the truth is, it’s not.
It is the buying public’s fault.
Not enough people care, not enough are willing to pay the money for a good machine and in droves all over the world, people have constantly sought and migrated to the cheapest possible option on the false presumption that they’re all the same.
To the point where quality manufacturers have all but disappeared as, making good products they can’t compete with the cheap junk but are **FORCED** into doing so in order to survive and, indeed, many have not or have been bought by a bigger fish in the pond. Then sold as a “good brand” when it’s junk in a dress.
Now we’re at a point where and, every single trade member will know this one, we are asked by people what’s the best machine to buy and we sorta go, “uhm, err… dunno, they’re all c**p”.
Manufacturers didn’t just think, oh you know what, let’s make garbage… no, they were forced by the market to make garbage.
The people doing the forcing are the people that are buying.
It is not an individual, but a collective mentality.
There are essentially two ways to break that, by changing people’s perceptions forcing them to demand better and manufacturers will cater to that or, by legislation.
To change people’s “buy cheaper” mentality ain’t happening so, legislation it is and that may start to happen because of the Right To Repair stuff but, that’s just the start of a long road.
K.
Sorry not added to this but have out all day umpiring 🙂
The biggest thing that gets me every day I am in the shop is 95{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} of customers do not want to spend over £300 on a washing machine, they all want a quick wash under an hour for a full load and oh yes it needs to have a life expectancy of at least eight years.
So while the expectations are high the price has to be cheap.
The market over the last 30 has eroded to such a level there is hardly and margin in it for the retailer, public would rather throw away and buy new again rather than repair.
Build quality needs to drastically improve and prices need to rise dramatically to make it economical to repair which in return would reduce the replacement market and bring value back to the industry and the consumer.
Don
from what i can see a lot of the quick washes state somthing like a 3Kg load and they totally ignor this and try to get it to wash 10Kg at a time
and then post bad reveiws because the wash quality is poor
Dave
electrofix wrote:from what i can see a lot of the quick washes state somthing like a 3Kg load and they totally ignor this and try to get it to wash 10Kg at a time
and then post bad reveiws because the wash quality is poor
Dave
The one that really gets my goat is “Beko machines do a full load wash in 15 minutes” NO THEY DON’T.
for goodness sake RTFM and you will see.
Don
don wrote:
The one that really gets my goat is “Beko machines do a full load wash in 15 minutes” NO THEY DON’T.
for goodness sake RTFM and you will see.
Don
yes comes under the banner of
“Machine OK customer faulty “
Dave
As a someone who has bought family members many machines i agree that the general public are somewhat cheapskates but thats not all of us if someone like miele charged x3 the cost of rivals fair enough but when they charge nearly x5 and they start penny pinching too then as joe public what are we supposed to think , manufactures in all areas are now deliberately producing products with planned obsolesce so its only fair in my opinion that consumers say balls to that and buy a product that at least justifies this obsolesce from a price point. Its not right and i hate to see but sadly thats where we are with right to repair etc. The issue is complex but at this point in time this is where we are.
Problem is, there aren’t enough people that care so the market gets driven down that road.
And, without intervention it will just end up like toasters and kettles, they’re throwaway completely as many already are.
And it still doesn’t solve the problem of, they don’t actually do what you are buying them to do, clean laundry. Unless you enjoy wandering about in mucky clothes but that’s a personal choice I guess.
K.
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