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Mal, you can’t beat the people that you speak of but you’re obviously better. The sheer passion in this thread from yourself and others demonstrate that admirably.
The cowboy element will always be there, albeit reduced these days, but still, we’ll never be rid of them much as I wish we were.
So how do you prove that you’re better?
From your comments I assume that you are pretty much anti-establishment which is fine, I have no issue as I agree with Groucho on institutions, but it’s something we all have to deal with like it or not.
But if you know who they are it’s easy to put a spanner in the works for them.
Expecting customers to understand is not on the cards as they won’t, ever. Unless there’s a standard by which they are aware that you have to operate and, about now, the best that they can hope for is that you are an “agent” for someone or other which gives some air of credibility.
Other than that I can see no other difference between you, myself and a taxi driver bar cost.
K.
Re: NVQ for the Domestic Appliance industry.
Ultrazapp wrote:Bryan
I have answered your reply with a private message.No private message received Andy………not a great start is it 🙄
Bryan
Re: NVQ for the Domestic Appliance industry.
I have been watching this thread with intrest
My whole understanding of the NVQ debate (For what it is worth) It is a good thing for the industry as a whole.
Meny of you are talking about time, cost, and lost earnings, which we can all understand. But no one is saying you must gain these certificates yourself. They would be put in place to help youngsters come into the industry and keep the trade alive, and to guide the public to reliable tradesmen.
No one is saying you have to stop trading just becouse after 20 years you do not have a piece of paper. What they are asking is help to pass on that 20 years of experiance to the next generation. With your coporation and a good assessor the passing and understanding of that knowladge would be a seamless process.
You are all in a unique position and are now being asked to give your apprentices experiance and the chance of a qualification …… a trainning school can not give them experiance
I work for a goverment agency and here the empissis is on qualifications rather than production. (I can not give them experiance) so do not be afraid of schools churning out lots “tradesmen” with this qualification….experiance counts for more than you realise.
Re: NVQ for the Domestic Appliance industry.
Ultrazapp wrote:
Iadom
My father has just had his 80th birthday and has in the last week taken his first flying lesson (Birthday Present). In my book there is no such thing as an old git (your words) definitely not mine.
It was said with tongue firmly lodged in cheek, as the 40 year old policeman I ran around the squash court last night will testify, I am not ready for the pipe & slippers just yet. However you seem to miss the point. Whilst I am always willing to learn, and take up new ideas, the reference to my age was to do with retirement. Even if I manage to, or even want work until I am 65, given P45’s estimate of this being introduced in five years would mean a large outlay in time and cost for just two years work, I may be better of retiring at 63. That said I am still very interested in the whole NVQ thing and have in no way dismissed it. I am just weighing up the cost/benefit situation. 🙂
Hi kwatt 😉
kwatt wrote:
The cowboy element will always be there, albeit reduced these days, but still, we’ll never be rid of them much as I wish we were.
So how do you prove that you’re better?
I don’t think that I need to prove that I am better my customers do it for me. I am trying not to be big headed about this, but if you are no good then you will be found out sooner than later, especially in a close-knit community that I work in.
From your comments I assume that you are pretty much anti-establishment which is fine, I have no issue as I agree with Groucho on institutions, but it’s something we all have to deal with like it or not.
I am sorry if you misunderstood my comments but I am not anti-establishment. My cynicism comes from dealing with politicians, who in my opinion are out for what they can get for themselves, which is human nature. There are of course individuals, who call it straight but few and far between. Most just give you “lip-service” to what they think you want to hear.
But if you know who they are it’s easy to put a spanner in the works for them.
Have you ever tried to put the spanner in the works? I tried with the Trading Standards after I had to attend a machine that had been set on fire by a “cowboy”. The T/S advise did the customer to sue, which he did successfully. As for stopping him trading they could only advise him that he may be in the wrong trade!!! BUT they would throw the book at him if he killed someone. Try explaining that to he bereaved family.
Expecting customers to understand is not on the cards, as they won’t, ever. Unless there’s a standard by which they are aware that you have to operate and, about now, the best that they can hope for is that you are an “agent” for someone or other which gives some air of credibility.
A few years ago I was invited to join a Quality Guild who would promote your business and give you an “air of credibility”. When I looked into who had already signed on I came across a building firm who name was the laughing stock among tradesmen and well known for poor quality work. Further investigation revealed that the father of the said building company had set up this guild. I was pleased not to have been part of that guild. So please forgive me being a bit sceptical about your last paragraph. 😉 😉
Mal
Re: NVQ for the Domestic Appliance industry.
Fair enough Mal, no problem with any of that as you do what works for you.
As for putting a spanner in the works, there’s more than one way to skin a cat or fleece a conman.
If you note I used the term “agent”. This would indicate that if an insurer or manufacturer had enough faith to use your company then you had to be better than the norm. Or so you’d think.
I didn’t mention the Guild Of Mastercraftsmen or suchlike at all as I have found that customers tend to ignore such things after all the bad press that they’ve had.
K.
Re: NVQ for the Domestic Appliance industry.
Bryan wrote:
Ultrazapp wrote:
Bryan
I have answered your reply with a private message.No private message received Andy………not a great start is it 🙄
Bryan
Bryan
I have sent it again twice it will not go. If you let me have your email via private message I will forward it to you.
Andy
Re: NVQ for the Domestic Appliance industry.
Ok Andy I`ve got your private message now , 3 times 😕 , Thanks.
Problem might have been with site running a bit slow at times.Must say I`m still slightly confused by all this , Create is a registered charity and is going to profit from us Engineers undergoing NVQ training.
Anyway I`ve really heard enough on this subject and we could go on forever talking about it and probably will.I think we should probably return to what gdownes proposed and those that are interested can take it further.
Bryan
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