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I’ve been thinking on the latest DASA thing and I am pissed off.
I’m not pissed off with Kev. I’m not pissed off with Phil. I’m not pissed off with Neil or anyone else for that matter.
What I am pissed off with is the fact that it looks fragmented and as if we’re at each other’s throats. So chuck that now please. It should be very easy to turn that thread into something very constructive for everyone if you put a bit of thought into it on the back of my and Kevin’s posts.
You’re all bright, if you weren’t you wouldn’t be reading this. Sit, think and then open your gob in the knowledge that you will get an intelligent and reasoned reply. Flying off the handle, on either side of the fence, serve no-one bar the people that want us split, bear that in mind the next time you post.
K.
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Agreed.
However like you, I reserve the right of reply.
Kevin
Ps when is a rumour mill not a rumour mill, when you mention Dasa. 😆
Ok honest I’ll stop 8)
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FFS!!!!!!!!!
Will you boys stop fucking about on this DASA theme, it is really dragging on now.
I have sod all to do with this thread and tell me to piss off if you wish, BUT honestly…Give it a break!
Be fair here, DASA are desperately trying to make good, give Mark and his team a bit of space here P-L-E-A-S-E!!! 🙁
…….. GENTLEMEN…..may I remind you…..that we are all on the same side here 😉
Martin
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….I forgot
Delete the “rumours” thread totally as well… 👿
…its just like a load of kids fighting in a Junior School playground….
….ffs….
Martin
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Can’t delete it Martin, goes against against every fibre of my being to do so, whether I agree or not.
I would have said the best thing that could have happened to that thread is to just ignore it and let it die, obviously others took the hump over it which has only served to lend it credence. However, what’s done is done and there’s no use crying about it now.
It could easily be turned into something positive, as most things can be or it can be dropped. I’d suggest the latter.
Again, the DASA II thread has gotten way out of hand and, IMO, actually makes DASA look bad again and, again, the best thing that could have been said there was fuck all!
The subject of DASA is always an emotive one and even when it’s faint praise or constructive critisism that is offered all we get is the same old crap all over again, “join up and find out” or “attend a meeting and see what its all about”, DASA should have adopted that as its tagline a few years back. It’s utter shite, tells people sweet fuck all and if anything puts them off the idea of DASA. Plus it only serves to perpertrate the myth that DASA is some sort of litttle club like the Masons, crap, utter crap.
Then you have rumours circulating about what DASA is up to and BINGO!
I have posted some stuff on the DASA forums to try to provoke some thought in what I think should be done to revive the organisation, whether it is taken up or not remains to be seen.
I’m on a cleft stick here as I run UKW and it would appear that a lot of the DASA people see that as a threat to them, plus I’ve got a big gob, I’m opinionated and not afraid to voice those opinions. I have over the past while shut up on the subject of DASA and I’m keeping a low profile there until it gets sorted or not as the case may be as unless it becomes what it always should have evolved into it is of little or no consequence to me either way.
What I will say, since all the leading lights in DASA that have any common sense will doutless read this, is that if you truly want it to become a regulatory body as the industry will surely go that way eventually, the foundations for that have to be laid NOW! Not in a few years time, but right now and the voice of DASA has to be heard now as well, if it is not our industry will be ruled as an appendix to CORGI, the HSE and the NICEIC for sure. AMDEA doesn’t give a flying fuck about DASA really as they know just as well as I do that the greedy twats out there will always take the work and there will always be some arsehole prepared to work for next to nothing. The only reason they’re concerned is that they have a severe labour shortage and see us as the stop-gap answer to that, they’ll use us, abuse us and drop us in the shit again unless it’s done right.
Don’t believe me? Just look at how many insist the job is done right.. yep, that’s right, not a one! Proof conclusive if ever I saw it that they don’t give a fuck, they’re only interested in the commercial principles of getting the job done. People like Martin or P45, they don’t give a fuck about, they’ve made that patently obvious over the past few years. Customers, they don’t care so long as they’re buying the shit they pump out. And that’s what this is all about, money and the value of it, the sooner that’s realised the better in some camps, morals and standards don’t mean Jack Shit in the manufacturer’s book.
Mark my words, you have been warned.
K.
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Fraid Oldtog moves things to a personnel level with his post, which is not acceptable at all.
Kevin
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The only reason I’ve had anything to say on this lot is being both a member of DASA and a Service Force agent, I am looking from both sides. I also think I may be conspicous by my reticence on the subject
To be honest I couldn’t care less how that lot pads out, unless I choose not to renew DASA then all my rantings have been a totalwaste of time.
You older ones out there will remember Monty Python, when Graham Chapman in Military uniform would interrupt a sketch and say “This is too silly, stop this sketch now as it is much too silly”
Martin is right. If we want to rip it apart, lets not get personal and fight each other, not to be so passionate, but be constructive.
Alex
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It’s hard to get a handle of just what is expected from DASA, less than a year ago it was get rid of the ineffective director. That was done.
Then is was ask the grass roots of the membership what they wanted. That was done. Then it was update the cop, that is in the process of being done. then it was amend the constitution. That is also in the process of being done.From the mebership report DASA was mandated by it’s members to forge new stronger link’s with manufacturers,work providers,and other associations such as RETRA & FSB.
Given that the report was only completed one week before the AGM and only Officially released on the day of the DASA AGM. Less than four weeks ago. Then In all fairness I dont think anyone has been dragging their feet.
DASA had all three of the leading work providers not only in attendance, but giving presentations, One of them actually appologised for the way it’s previous management had treated independant service providers in the past, from the floor of the AGM.
Granted it was UKW that fought the battle, but it was at DASA that they came to make their peace.
So less than four weeks from the AGM, DASA are trying to carry out the wishes of their members in seeking out and forging these links and are in mid negociations with an organisation (that could have potentially doubled the mebership of DASA) who specifically requested confidentiality. When all of a sudden the rugg is pulled from under their feet because one of the admin team from UKW decides to betray information given him in confidence.
I have stressed many times that It was always my hope to see UKW & DASA working hand in glove with one another for the good of this trade and for the most part even when a lot of criticisum was fired at DASA this was taken on board and acted on and accepted as constructive.
But the release of priviledged information on UKW at a critical time in their endevours to help turn round the fotunes of DASA can only be described as a destructive act with no saving merit in it’s motives.
In this case I strongley agree with Martin that this thread should be removed from the site. perhaps you could run a pole in the war room for those who would agree with both Martin and I or do we not enjoy the democracy that DASA does.
JMHO.
Del
p.s. That’s me chucked out of the war room
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Sean, it’s got nothing at all to do with democracy, deleting that thread now would simply be a case of locking the door after the horse has bolted and it would in fact do more harm than good from a DASA perspective.
It’s in the open and that’ll be that regardless of the thread being deleted or not.
However, I cannot stress enough that Phil and Dave (P) should have just let sleeping dogs lie and the thing would’ve died on its own. Without the input it was far too cryptic to mean much of anything. By commenting all that’s happened is a non-story has been turned into headline news, on that Kevin is totally correct.
Then you have the newly appointed press officer for DASA launching a full on personal attack on a non-member, good image portrayal if ever I saw it…NOT! A good start in the newly created role, I think not. It’s all very well running to DASA’s defence but for fuck’s sake do it properly and proffessionally, not in a slap-dash haphazard way as has been displayed thus far.
So it will, as usual, be left to me no doubt to put a positive spin on events and turn it around as well as buy DASA some breathing space as no other fucker seems willing or able to do it or to play out the politics involved.
I’ll do it later, CBA with it all right now, too childish.
K.
Chucked, Del? Doubt it – this is the one place where we CAN (and should be) be totally honest and forthright in our opinions.
The thread looks bad to all parties IMO, pulling it may not be the answer though – there are contributors to it who are not party to this forum – how would we take their opinion into account?
Drop it and let it fade away.
Oh, and somebody write a nice update about how the re-birth is going. That’s probably what’s triggering people off – the long periods of silence that eminate from DASA. Nothing much has to be happening quickly, so long as people get reminded that things are afoot!
Chris.
Exactly P and that’s kinda just what I did as well to try to balance the books and put something a bit positive into it all. But I don’t expect there’ll be a lot of feedback from it all the same. 😕
Sean there’s no way you’d get kicked for having an opinion. As I have said time and again, whether I agree or not is entirely irrelevant, I can argue my case very well as can anyone else here if they can be arsed to do it.
I think as P does that the thread will simply fade away and serve as another lesson learnt, let’s just not make the same mistakes twice eh?
K.
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Sorry for delays in my response to that thread.
I must say I am more then a little disappointed in what was merely a rumour post turning in to personal slanging matches between collegues and friends 🙁
Ken may be between a rock etc….. but I am not and it clearly states in the header of this forum that if a complaint is recieved about a particular post then it will either be locked or closed. IMO it is too late to delete it as it’s been read too many times.
I would be more then happy to lock it to prevent further posting if anyone involved feels strongly enough to complain about it though.
I won’t keep it alive any longer by posting to it and would request others do the same please, best let it take it’s course and drop off the list as time passes.
UKW has been critised too many times in the past for negativity and that sort of crap just feeds this.
Dave.
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Just to clear a point Sean……Mark has spoken to me about what is going off with Electrolux……therefore its no secret. He explained to me in detail how it will supply the funds dasa needs, please do not blame admin when all electrolux agents are aware also….it is no secret.
Kevin.
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Just go back to Kens original post and his displeasure at the “fragmentation” this is causing. He is quite right to be concerned by the tone of the reply & counter replies that Kevins quite reasonably phrased post on the subject has created. Surely “Rumors” are there to be discussed not to open a personal slanging match which ensued. DASA is quite different from UKW and its members need to understand this. One of the oldest methods of causing defeat and disorganisation is to “divide and conquer”. If the tone continues along the same lines then this will happen & DASA will be more alienated than it is now from the very people it needs to encourage to join. We need to be singing from the same hymn sheet to improve the opportunities for one man bands and slightly larger companies.
Kevin
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