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kwatt wrote:I might have known you’d want an argument about it Martin. 😉
Debate Ken….DEBATE 8)
kwatt wrote:I assume that your accusation of being “debatable or arguable” is grounded in fact?
I repeat….debatable or arguable….and what better way to discuss the various issues than through open debate with those at the very heart of the business eh? I could put in a few facts, sure, if you like? Facts mind not suppositions I mean 8)
To be honest you’ve stated the obvious in your article in many departments with great clarity and meaning. It’s another good kwatt production without doubt. It raises many good issues and highlights many bad issues about our business all very clearly. But a somewhat one-sided, looking up from the shopfloor, kind of view overall….maybe? 😕
Good to get public attention though, ain’t no bad thing there. But it’s best you look at it from ALL angles and get the facts 100{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d}. There is no point in slagging off the manfacturer or at least painting him as the evil dooer, if the stats are wrong? Biting the hand that feeds is bad business and slagging off competitors and conglomorates is puerile, I’m sure you will agree?
Manufacturers are the lifeblood of this business we choose to make a living from after all. They deserve some credit here and that (I suspect?) is the underlying problem that manifests itself in your article? You must look at the overall picture here and I personally don’t think you have?
Now by opening it up to others to decide in the general trade forum will (in my mind at least) show a similar response from contributors. Namely the blue collar, shop floor viewpoint. But if (I repeat) if manufacturers look at these threads, they might get some down to earth feedback from it?
Shall I start a thread on the subject or will you Ken? 😀
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Beware Martin, there’s little specific and a number of traps there and I write little without cold hard fact to back it up as I don’t like to be surprised.
It is one sided, our side. Don’t have a problem with that and if that’s what is meant by “shop floor”, so be it. I doubt I’ll lose sleep worrying about being accused of that.
I do however have a problem with repairers being devalued as I do with appliances being devalued, which leads yet again to the former.
I didn’t slag off anyone really. I slagged off everyone. Even handed I call that. 😉
Don’t cuddle up too close to manufacturers Martin, they will smother you. Ask anyone that has carried out manufacturer service. You haven’t and, frankly, you’re not qualified to comment on the subject from that front as you’ve no experience of it that I am aware of. As a service agent I and many others are well used to being burned by these “people” you seem to think put food on our table. But let me tell you, as fast as they put it there they can take it away.
I’m afraid I’m not aloof enough or consider myself to be to take any other stance.
But it’s open now, let’s see what happens.
K.
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kwatt wrote:I do however have a problem with repairers being devalued as I do with appliances being devalued, which leads yet again to the former.
It’s the ‘Browngoods scenario’ ever encroaching whitegoods I guess? The only advantage we have (at present at least) is, unlike a telly, a washing machine is harder to lift!
kwatt wrote:I didn’t slag off anyone really. I slagged off everyone. Even handed I call that. 😉
I’ve never figured that to be the way forward to be honest. It’s not done UKW any favours as far as a meeting place for engineers and WP’s alike. I’ve raised this with you many times so won’t go there no more. Suffice to say even Rudi has been conspicuous by his absence of late?
kwatt wrote:Don’t cuddle up too close to manufacturers Martin, they will smother you. Ask anyone that has carried out manufacturer service. You haven’t and, frankly, you’re not qualified to comment on the subject from that front as you’ve no experience of it that I am aware of.
In point of fact I was a BSH agent (covering all Berkshire) from 1975 until 1989 when ‘Appliance Care’ they did the business on 95{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} of mainland UK agencies. I was a De Dietrich agent throughout a similar timescale and service patch…..I know about manufacturers agents….been there, done that 😈
kwatt wrote:But it’s open now, let’s see what happens.
😕 I’ll say na more then….
Cheers!
Martin
Didn’t know that Martin, so you go the bullet as well then.
TBH there’s not much of a slagging, it was a s figure of speach, it’s more of a “this is the way I see things”. Convince me otherwise as, two years on, my opinion is little changed and probably in fact more resolved.
What the manufacturers et all think of my opinion I couldn’t care less so long as they listen and try to help the repairers. Beyond that I’ve little interest in them from a UKW standpoint.
K.
kwatt wrote:Didn’t know that Martin, so you go the bullet as well then.
Yep…..I got the bullet and it cost me badly for a while but fortunately I bounced back and gained from their ‘ineffieciencies’ (spelling?) shall we say 😉
kwatt wrote:TBH there’s not much of a slagging, it was a s figure of speach, it’s more of a “this is the way I see things”. Convince me otherwise as, two years on, my opinion is little changed and probably in fact more resolved.
I’d love to chat with you on that some day but putting my thoughts on the subject to you in type leads to gross missunderstandings and missinterpretations….I ain’t going there right now.8)
kwatt wrote:What the manufacturers et all think of my opinion I couldn’t care less so long as they listen and try to help the repairers.
That will never happen as well you know, repairers don’t enter in their equation and it’s better to concentrate on a more effective ‘damage limitation’ viewpoint? It involves grasping hold of modern manufacturing techniques mind you, welded drums and the like…..better get to grips with the way they are pushing after all. 8)
The old ways were the best but fuff all to do with what’s going down nowadays. Time to grasp on to what they are spewing out and figure a way of gaining from it. 😉
Interesting question for you: What percentage of a modern washing machine is fully (effectively) recyclable using currect modern techniques?
All the best luck on that one
Martin
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Sigh, 😥 I did try to stop them squabbling, to no avail it seems. :rolls:
Jim.
It’ll fizzle out methinks.
GJ says there’s noting in it and we all know that there has to be for the filter to block. QED. 😉
K.
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Oops, this poster obviously misunderstood me when I jokingly said name & shame. 😳
Should I edit that or leave it as it is, I was only really asking for them to post the name of the company that had done the work. :rolls:
Jim.
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That was my first thought, 👿 😀
I wonder who the very expensive one was 😉
How did the wedding go BTW?
Jim.
I suspect the expensive one would be Huby’s. 😉
Wedding went well, knackered though and I wasn’t even really drinking either. 😕
K.
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