R U Ready

[Martin]

kwatt wrote:Yeah Martin, no argument here. But notice that cooking and refrigeration products aren’t covered. 😉

With good reason I reckon, simply because there is little to wax lyrical on over those 2 subjects to warrant writing a book. If a cooker don’t…it’s the element or stat, if the fridge don’t….it’s the compressor or again, the stat….period. No mystery to tempt folks buying a book therefore 🙁

Martin

[kwatt]

Actually there’s a fair old bit in either subject to explore. Whether it’s worth a book or not, especially in the case of cooking product, is open to debate sure, but refrigeration for engineers and not the masses is worthy.

The problem here is you’re looking at a book targetted to the public, we’re looking to engineers or potential engineers. If we could flog it to someone to publish in the public domain, or a watered down version thereof then so much the better but it’s not the reason for doing this.

K.

[Penguin45]

The full list of Haynes manuals includes “The Dishwasher Manual”, “The Washer Dryer and Tumble Dryer Manual” and “The Electrical Appliance Manual”. Not sure what’s in that, though it has a picture of a vacuum cleaner and electric drill on the front.

Chris.
(Want ’em for a Christmas present Martin? 😆 )

[Dave_Conway]

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As CDSL actually stock the Haynes manuals, can we get a copy of each to distribute ?

I can order if required, or Kevin could get a freebie ?

I realise this is not what we want to be producing but some of the info could be useful 😉

Dave.

[Martin]

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What was it Kevin so eloquently put in one of his posts recently..something like “have you got your head stuck up your arse?”

Using that as MY introductory phrase if I may (with Kevins permission I hope) I cannot believe you guys have not researched this prior to the proposition being placed 😯 . Off my own back and in support of Kevins proposition, I took the trouble to buy and check out a Haynes Manual first hand only to find it covers all we were hoping to achieve, and especially to channel that to any potential new recruit into our trade. It is perfect for that in every way, albeit a fraction behind the times in most illustrated photo’s, the theory remains good nevertheless.

Can I suggest the next stage is for you all to buy a copy and see if its me my opening phrase refers to, I think not 8)

Martin

P.S Stand by for my version of “R U Ready” to be published at a Moderators Forum near you very shortly (entitled in this case Ready or not?) 😈 😯

[admin]

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WHOA!!!!!!!!

Some of you are missing the point of this and its very simple…….We don’t want to promote Mr Dixons…we want our own. Mr Dixons publication may well be good and useful, but its not ours, we can’t sell it (although we might receive a commision from amazon) and make a profit.

One of Dasas undoings is the inability of themselves to find something they could sell. They tried for years to come up with a product, Chris Hayter asked me loads of times to “write” up repairs for him (not for Dasas use but Easel his own company) because he could SEE.

Stop bleating on about Dixon……he has no competition but we have the knowledge, we have the market place, the vehicle and a ready made customer base in our own forums.

We can if we can SEE beyond the end of our noses produce our own and promote ourselves. If you want an answer to where UKW is heading in the future ….well this is one direction, one that over time will produce revenue for the site and shareholders, produce credability to all who involve themselves that we are taking control and we can help the industry at the grass root..ie training.

Or do you want this challenge brought to fruition by outsiders to UKW.

I have no axe to grind here with other publications, consumers are better informed for having choice, easy isn’t it.

Kevin

[kwatt]

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Actually Martin in some ways you’re quite right there, but I did actually take part in some interesting debates when these were first launched and TBH, they were pretty crap then. No doubt numerous updates and re-writes later I suppose they will, or should, be much improved.

However that does not detract from the fact that we can give a list of all the common fault codes that are out there as well as more up to date info and brand specific notes based on our collective massive experience. We can also bind the whole lot in one volume to become the Domestic Appliance Bible if you like, the equivelent of that medical book I can never remember the name of.

But we’re moving away from the main reasons for this which is to get people more educated in the industry as that is, after all, the primary goal here and not to have our names immortalised in print. It would be nice to happen and I guess it’s a possibility but not the goal.

Also we can hardly hand a numpty a copy of Dixon’s book and tell him to scurry off and read that and he’ll be a qualified engineer, I know you’re not suggesting that but it’s the way it’s coming across.

But building chapters on different brands and how they construct appliances is, IMO, the way to go if you want to go down the book path along with a “basics” thing. Far more sensible I feel.

But that’s for after we establish the work we do as the de facto standard.

K.

[Penguin45]

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Look, my Dad bought me the Haynes “Washing Machine” book years ago, when I set up on my own. He may not be a washing machine engineer, but he is the archetypal “Mad scientist” (complete with shock of white hair)(Now you know where I got it from……) and he thought that this was a very funny book. It tells you……….. a bit. It helps you solve things……. a bit. It doesn’t actually tell a professional ANYTHING that you didn’t pick up in your first week in the job.

So what is the Amperage rating of a pressure switch? Does it matter? Would one of you like to convert a Crouzet 60 step timer chart into a modern digital/semi-digital programme chart for, say, a Servis? How crucial is earth leakage? How much wear is acceptable on a drum shaft – can you feel a notch, or does it just LOOK a bit worn?

THAT is the business end of this discussion. Nice of Mr Dixon to write down all the basic stuff that we tell the Public every day in the Forums, but now we need to sort out the detail Tech stuff – not for the public messing about, but for Engineers!

I might add that we are not in business to repair appliances – we are in business to make money. The fact that we happen to fix appliances should be made as simple and accessible as possible to ease the process. Logically this should improve all of our profitability.

Cheers,
Chris.

[Martin]

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I don’t know whether you guys have made any further progress or not on this subject? Or indeed if anyone other than me has got hold of a copy of a Haynes Manual? But meanwhile I have spotted a possible opening in the marketplace here, namely a ‘Washer/Dryer Manual’ not covered as yet by Mr Dixon 😉

Martin

[Penguin45]

Go back 8 posts and read again………. Throw a six to rejoin the game. 😆

Chris.

[admin]

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those sixes can be hard to come by……FFS

kevin 8)

[Martin]

Penguin45 wrote:Throw a six to rejoin the game. 😆

Deep joy! Just thrown a six…..one….two…..three….four….five….SIX 😀

😥 Oh!…..down the snake back to square one 😥

Don’t like this game, can we play something else?

But seriously, if I may indulge you all, enough of the vaguries of producing an Engineers Bible and get down to the specifics please? Bearing in mind my previous comments about the Haynes series, it is targetted to anyone that can make use of its informed pages, including engineers!

Can I suggest you all take a look at said publications and using that as an example, how can we incorporate the type of additional information you wish to include in any new production? Someone mentioned ‘Error Codes’?…sorry not possible to include as well you know due to the complexities of variation within product groups…what else should we stick in there?

‘How to evacuate and recharge a fridge unit?’ ‘How to diagnose a duff diode in a microwave?’ or even something more specific to the job….How the fuck am I going to get this Dishwasher out of here in and fix it in 30 minutes?’

Martin

[Martin]

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Ooooops deary….almost a week gone by and I guess my last post must have killed this thread stone dead 😯

My intention was to inspire further discussion not kill it, sorry Kevin 😳

Martin

[Penguin45]

Point is Martin, it’s pretty apparent you don’t agree with the suggested course of action, and we are supposed to try and do this by consencus… you are the stumbling bock on this one at present.

Chris.

[Martin]

Penguin45 wrote:Point is Martin, it’s pretty apparent you don’t agree with the suggested course of action

When Kevin first came up with the proposal, yes indeed I was very much in favour of the idea as you well know. Our meeting at Sibson set out the basics, then off we went to chew over the idea. I then looked into Mr Dixon’s book and pointed out to the group its significance especially as Kevin emphasised the need to produce a publication explaining the ‘basics’ of any machines function. I merely attempted to point out that Mr Dixon has got that all covered that’s all.

At that point I felt unclear as to “where to we go from here?” sort of thing 😕 Ken mentioned there’s a gap in the Cooker and Fridge department, fine lets go there then 🙂 By all means let us create a set of reference manuals that assumes the reader knows all the basics and just wants to have clues set up for speedier diagnostics and quick fix analysis, a great idea. I can give you guys reams and reams of that stuff if that’s what is required. 😛

Penguin45 wrote: and we are supposed to try and do this by consencus…

The perfect ideal for an important project such as this of course. All in agreement and away we go, but please lets just lay down some ground rules first though eh? A huge time consuming task such as this needs to straighten out these first to get that consensus 😉

It’s going to take hundreds and hundreds of hours to put this together. Building piece by piece snippets of information, checking and double checking, passing copies to and fro for approval between ourselves, an enormous undertaking 😯

Penguin45 wrote: you are the stumbling bock on this one at present.

Really? surely not Chris 😳 I’m just a load mouthed Yorkshireman you can easily step over, anytime :lol2:

Martin

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