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Re: Removal Of Adrian Welke
I’m not responding to his last bit of crap, even although I approved the post.
I don’t think I should.
K.
Re: Removal Of Adrian Welke
I’m beyond caring now ,we have all moved on and are getting on with things that are more important ,I’m not responding as it will only fuel it .
Re: Removal Of Adrian Welke
As we often said on IRC, mailing lists and suchlike…
Flames can’t survive when you starve them of oxygen.
Neither can idiots.
K.
Re: Removal Of Adrian Welke
Received tonight from Adrian this evening…
Adrian Welke via email wrote:Hi ken,
Can you please delete the user ‘washdoctor’ from the UK Whitegoods Forum for the following reasons:
1: I have no intention of signing in to that account or using that account again.
2: Other people have my Login details and have posted as me, therefore breaking UK Whitegoods Forum rules, therefore the account should be deleted.
3: As my personal name & details are assigned to that account, I am most un comfortable with other users being able to post as ‘washdoctor’.
As the creator of the ‘washdoctor’ account and owner of the ‘washdoctor’ account, I expect that the account will be deleted immediately due to breach of UKW Rules.
Kind Regards,
Adrian.
My response was….
kwatt: muppet ringleader wrote:Hi Adrian,
I am afraid that I cannot do as you request.
See comments inline.
K.
On 28 Jun 2012, at 22:43, Adrian Welke wrote:
Hi ken,
Can you please delete the user ‘washdoctor’ from the UK Whitegoods Forum for the following reasons:
1: I have no intention of signing in to that account or using that account again.
Then please change the password to something obscure and do not sign in again, that is completely within your remit and power to do so.
2: Other people have my Login details and have posted as me, therefore breaking UK Whitegoods Forum rules, therefore the account should be deleted.
Then you must have divulged the details of the account as we do not and cannot access your password details for security and privacy reasons, nor would we ever have call or wish to do so. Or the account details have been compromised on a local level. Therefore the only way that an account can be compromised is if the user allows others to access their account.
This is a matter for the user, not for site admin to secure local PCs, LAN, WLAN security etc as well as keep your passwords secure. In that respect we are unable to assist you further.
3: As my personal name & details are assigned to that account, I am most un comfortable with other users being able to post as ‘washdoctor’.
See above.
As the creator of the ‘washdoctor’ account and owner of the ‘washdoctor’ account, I expect that the account will be deleted immediately due to breach of UKW Rules.
Each post has the IP logged from which the post was made.
Please indicate the posts that you suspect have been made that were not by yourself and we will look at it and remove any that we feel have not been made by you as the owner of that account.
Please be aware that if the posts have been made from the same IP addresses as ones that you admit are yours then they will not be removed as it will be reasonably be assumed that they were either made by the account holder or, with the account holders consent and/or authority.
Please also send any requests pertaining to account administration to admin@ukwhitegoods.co.uk so that all staff can see and deal with any request in case I am unavailable to respond, as I may be in coming weeks due to prior commitments and annual leave. Doing this ensures that all staff see your emails and can deal with any requests if they are able to assist you. I have copied that email address in on this response for their information and so that you have a note of the email address should you require it.
Regards
Kenneth Watt
kwatt@ukwhitegoods.co.ukUnit 5/6, Bonnyton Industrial Estate
Kilmarnock
KA1 2NP
Phone: 0845 172 8001
Spare parts enquiries: 0845 172 8002
Fax: 0845 172 8003Please don’t print this e-mail unless you really need to.
In the spirit of full disclosure on this affair it is only correct that you all see what’s going on.
K.
Re: Removal Of Adrian Welke
Okay, now here’s why I think this guy is mentally unsound…
Adrian Welke: 6:52am wrote:Hi Ken,
Thank you for your reply.
We all know you can delete / remove a user…!!! It’s quite a simple task! It’s my account, I have EVERY right for it to be removed / cancelled.
Thanks, Ade.
Response…
KW: 7:22am wrote:Again, please use the admin email so that all members of staff can see your emails.
Your account and posts will not be deleted without some justification or grounds to do so which, as per previous email, you have failed to provide.
Regards
Next one rolls in…
Adrian Welke: 7:28am wrote:As the account owner, I have every right to cancel my account with UKWhitegoods Forums.
I no longer wish to be a part of the UK Whitegoods Forums and therefore want my account removed.
Another refusal to delete my account will result in a complaint to the relevant people regarding this matter.
Kind Regards,
Adrian Welke
Response….
KW: 7:42am wrote:I line with the previous emails the account in question will not be deleted unless satisfactory evidence is provided for the claims being made by you to justify the action.
We also have every right to maintain the integrity of the forums and the threads that have been posted by users and the policy has always been made clear that posts made on the forums will not be deleted. This has been the policy of the website since its inception in 2003. If you have not made yourself familiar with site policy in this regard before posting then I am sorry but that is your affair.
We can change the account so that the ability for it to be used in the future is removed, please advise if you would like that done.
Regards
Then the next one rolls in…
Adrian Welke: 7:54am wrote:The grounds for my request to cancel my account are as follows:
1. I am the account owner and I no longer wish to be a member of UK Whitegoods Forums.
2. As I have always posted openly (Real name etc), there are posts within the UK Whitegoods Forums that I am the author of and I no longer have the freedom or right to edit or delete any posts I’ve made previously.
These posts that I have composed, may be copied, quoted and comments made about them by others whilst I cannot reply or correct due to me leaving the community as I do not have the freedom to post openly. This means there is a likelihood that threads I’ve participated in and posts I have made could be used against me and ultimately cause damage to my reputation (As per an email received last night).Please confirm to me when my account is deleted / cancelled. Again, if you refuse to delete my account, I will formally complain about UK Whitegoods Forums to the relevant people.
Kind Regards,
Ade.
Response, getting shorter as I get (more) bored of it…
KW: 8:07am wrote:Our position has been made clear, I see no reason for any further communication on this matter.
Please take the matter up with whomever you see fit.
Look, it’s like an episode of 24, you get running real time updates and everything, mystery, intrigue, a mad bad guy…. 😆
But look at the original reason for wanting the account deleted, claims that it’s been compromised etc and, without any prompting whatsoever, it’s become that there’s things posted by him (he says so) that he wants deleted.
Anyway, he can go complain to the internet police or whoever and they can listen to his sh1t.
K.
Re: Removal Of Adrian Welke
Next round…
Adrian Welke: 10:57am wrote:In plain English:
PLEASE REMOVE MY ACCOUNT AND MY PERSONAL DETAILS FROM YOUR WEBSITE AS I NO LONGER WISH TO BE A UKWHITEGOODS MEMBER.
What is your procedure for spammers?
Don’t they get deleted as a user?
Ade 🙂
No response has been sent.
He then posted a load of spam to try to get his account deleted. All that was removed and was held in moderation anyway so it was completely pointless.
In response, I have removed his ability to post, PM and even view any of the forums under that account and changed the account name to “AdrianWelke” so that there is no dubiety about who it is. Profile updated to reflect that he has been banned for abusive behaviour.
This and above will be posted in the mods forum so they know what the hell is going on.
K.
Re: Removal Of Adrian Welke
This message will be posted to the mods forum as well, others if I feel it is required, including the general forum if things kick off.
Adrian Welke has been completely banned from this forum and, other than spammers, he is the only person bar Tony Clifton to ever achieve that accolade.
I will explain why I felt this action was necessary.
He has constantly posted confrontational material usual in the form of personal attack on one of more members, myself and Lawrence seemingly the most common targets.
He has been repeatedly warned and chosen to ignore those warnings about this.
He has sent offline abusive and threatening messages to forum members and WTA members. This is completely unacceptable behaviour from anyone and I view this as a gross violation of both the UKW and WTA communities.
He has, without foundation, accused members of acting improperly and chosen to air those accusations in public, without evidence and without any foundation. When challenged, no evidence of wrongdoing can be provided.
He has consistently lied and changed his stories, many of them.
He posted spam messages on the website under his “washdoctor” monicker and refused to give a suitable change to that in order to lock down the account, insisting that all his posts should be removed. Removal of the posts was refused as it would have caused disruption to the forums and would have meant that threads could potentially have made little sense.
The username was changed to “AdrianWelke” and the user account banned from carrying out any posts or viewing the forums.
He subsequently signed up under the “washdoctor” monicker once more using the email address of adrian@beechappliances.co.uk and posted spam messages, these were deleted and the account banned.
On these grounds, Adrian Welke has been banned from UKW and, as the owner of the UK Whitegoods business it has been my decision in light of this overwhelming volume of improper conduct that the only course of action appropriate was to ban the user from the website completely.
Business & Domain Bans
appliancecarewales.co.uk
This domain has been banned from registering any user accounts on UK Whitegoods as it is Adrian Welke’s primary business internet domain.
This company has seemingly entered liquidation and been reborn with a slight name change.
For these reasons, this domain name has been banned.
beechappliances.co.uk
Company is no longer trading and is therefore not a valid business.
There is also some evidence to indicate that this business was improperly closed down.
Also there were unpaid invoices to UK Whitegoods Limited from this company.
For these reasons this domain name is banned.
findmyengineer.co.uk
Adrian Welke owns this business and operates the website.
The domain is improperly listed with Nominet, the owner has chose to opt out of the Who Is register which, as a business is a breach of Nominet’s rules for domain registration.
Adrian Welke’s own company is listed on this website as a full member despite not being a member of a trade association which is reputed to be the main criteria for holding a listing on the site. In other words, he has breached his own company policies.
When challenged on his motives with this business Mr Welke chose to remove all reference of it from UKW which led to his removal of moderator status as posts were deleted improperly and without authorisation. Logs of these events have been stored and the moderator team decided unanimously that he should be removed.
The website, as part of its sign up procedure, requires that members fill in a Direct Debit mandate for payment to be taken after the trial period expires. We do not feel that this is best practice.
For these reasons, this domain name has been banned and UK Whitegoods will not in any way endorse or promote this website to members.
Kenneth Watt
Re: Removal Of Adrian Welke
Adrian Welke wrote:You seem to have broken quite a few rules as per your hosting company. After further reading and communication, contact has been made with your hosting company and a complaint is in the process of being filed.
It appears that many screenshots that include attacks on individuals in various threads I have collated indicate that the UKWhitegoods Forums break quite a few hosting terms (See below as an example) and will also be reported as a separate complaint.
I am also seeking legal advice relating to defamation of character. I have already received phone calls and emails by friends that are appalled and shocked at what you did with that account yesterday and are concerned as I am about the repercussions of your actions both within the industry and on a personal level.
By creating or renaming an anonymous user account to display my real FULL name with a ‘Muppet’ as AdrianWelkes Avatar that can be seen by the public and other trade members including work providers and fellow engineers without my permission and as below was done with clear intent to embarrass.
Regarding my earlier comment about posting openly, I have only ever signed off as ‘Ade’ or ‘Adrian’ unless posts were in a secure room (The War Room) or I were writing in a locked Trade Association Forum on behalf of the TA during my term as a Council Member. That is no way permission for you to advertise my real name to posts written by wash doctor.
Re: Removal Of Adrian Welke
Somebody better tell him, George if he calls perhaps, that if he does not drop this right now that will go out as a press release in a news bulletin to over 25,000 people, will be posted on the front page as news and will reach virtually everyone in the industry.
He will then have no option but to take it to a court in Scotland as the website is governed by Scottish Law, not English.
I am fully prepared to fight it in court as I can clearly demonstrate that myself and this this company has acted in a reasonable manner all the way through this and acted in a proper manner.
If he does go down the road of complaining to hosting companies and going legal it WILL be broadcast news.
K.
Removal Of Adrian Welke
K
Urgent, contact me by email regarding this please.
Carl
Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HDRe: Removal Of Adrian Welke
And while I’m on a roll…
I refer your honour to the following to disprove Mr Welke’s claims….
whitegoods-trade-association/good-people-t25825-15.html#p141658
general-trade-forum/findmyengineer-t62789.html?hilit=findmyengineer#p321394
So…Clear evidence that his real name was known and published since 2007.
Clear evidence that he posted, in the general trade forum available to all trade members, that he was “Ade” and that he represented FME.
Clear evidence that he is one of only two members of the “Banned Members” (because there only are two) who both share the same rank, group and group avatar. The avatar is assigned to the group, not the person.
K.
Re: Removal Of Adrian Welke
As expected…
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2012 14:44:38 +0100
From: Adrian Welke
To: li@laser.com
Subject: Official complaint: UKWhitegoods.co.ukHi Li,
As per telecon, please take this as an official complaint regarding a website currently hosted on your server ‘www.ukwhitegoods.co.uk’.
The complaint relates to the following:
The creation of an account or change of my anonymous account name ‘washdoctor’ within Public & Trade Forums to display my real & full name ‘AdrianWelke’, assigning a ‘Muppet’ Image as an Avatar and publishing it to the community within UKWhitegoods both Trade & Public with the intention to bully,
damage my reputation, cause public & trade humiliation, worry, stress & anxiety. (Please see image
below).[IMAGE]
I have made over 1400 Posts within the UKWhitegoods Forums since 1996 under the anonymous name ‘washdoctor’ that I created when I first joined and opened an account. The reason for using ‘Usernames’ is so that a person may write having confidence that his identity may not be known. I have made a few friends within the UKWhitegoods Forums and therefore have previously ended some
posts by signing off ‘Ade’ or ‘Adrian’ in certain trade only rooms at my discretion or ‘Adrian Welke’ If locked within the WTA (Whitegoods Trade Association) Forums.On Friday 29th June 2012 after asking for my account to be closed due to not wanting to use the UKWhitegoods Forums again, Kenneth Watt decided after a long running personal dispute, to embarrass my character and cause damage to my reputation, cause needless anxiety, stress and worry by changing
the anonymous name ‘washdoctor’ to display my full & real name ‘AdrianWelke’ to all trade members and the general public. He also decided to assign an image of a muppet as an avatar to cause embarrassment.Because of this, posts that I have made since 1996, whilst in the confidence that my identity were not known (Bar to those who I chose to let know) are now visible for Trade Employers, fellow Trade Members & the general public to see under my real name.
This is an attack on my person and a deliberate public humiliation and can cause me personally to suffer financial loss if trade work is taken from me, trade relationships are damaged and / or any member of the public seeing my name and deciding not to employ my business.
I have sought Legal advice and I am contacting you as the current website hoster with my complaint before I take it further. Kenneth Watt has acted maliciously and I am already in fear of losing work and friends because of posts I made under an anonymous username. If my real name were ever to be disclosed, I would never have taken part in some threads and I would never have posted a lot of pasts that I did.
Please see below, an email sent to Ken Watt asking him to remove my name from the view of all visitors to UKWhitegoods and his reply. As you can see, he cares not about the damage or repercussions of his actions, but only about causing humiliation.
As I have already received phone calls about the change of the UKWhitegoods account, I must stress that if this is to continue, it will cause me severe embarrassment, personal stress and anxiety leading to a financial loss.
Please treat this as urgent. Please take your independent advice (As per telecon) as the current UKWhitegoods Hosting company as this matter will be pursued with South Wales Police as a criminal complaint if not dealt with promptly.
Regards,
Adrian Welke.
And once more with feeling, he’d be well advised to drop this ludicrous bullsh1t.
K.
Re: Removal Of Adrian Welke
Just so you all know the tactics employed to deal with this idiot.
The reply to Li included my message that was used across the more closed forums above but essentially the premise was that, if anonymity was of such import to our Mr Welke then why was he promoting his business (FME) in the general forums and signing with his name?
And, errr, pointing at his website registered in his name… ahem, DUH!
So it was okay when it was doing him a favour but, now it’s not okay because he say so… okay then, moving on…
Also pointed out that the icon used is a group one assigned to all banned users. If he doesn’t like that he shouldn’t have gotten himself banned. But it was in no way just for him.
Again… moving on…
And, last but not least, he fails to explain why he was banned and subject to all this alleged mistreatment. He must have forgotten sending abusive messages, making public accusations of wrongdoing without a shred of evidence to support them, using his position to send spam (I consider them that) messages to new WTA members trying to get them to sign up to his commercial website and so on.
Oh hang on, some of that could be looked upon as cyber bullying and be viewed as intentionally trying to “to embarrass (my character) and cause damage to (my) reputation, cause needless anxiety, stress and worry” or something along those lines especially in respect to myself and Lawrence.
And all I need to do is point to or print out this one thread, four months ago and more than three months before he started with these current allegations…
general-trade-forum/naughty-wta-change-constitution-t70161.html
Directed squarely at myself and Lawrence.
Insofar as I am concerned he’s perhaps gotten a taste of his own medicine although I don’t really think he has, it’s all in his head really and, he doesn’t like it too much when he’s been exposed for what he truly is IMO.
And, IMO, he’s a liar at best out to cause as much pain and harm on others as he possibly can for no reason that is not of his own making. His web of lies however are starting to catch up on him and most people can see it and him for what he is.
K.
Re: Removal Of Adrian Welke
His latest, sent to Li and I was not copied in on the emails:
From: Adrian Welke
Date: 2 July 2012 19:39:48 GMT+01:00
To:- Subject: Re: Official complaint: UKWhitegoods.co.uk
Hi Li & Ken…
No worries… I expected that reply 🙂
Karma.
I’ve contacted you with my complaint, you’ve wiped your hands of it. Fine, dim problem.
I’m not going to pursue Kenneth Watt from this email now as the ones closest to me are getting concerned about the effect this is having on me as a person, so I’ll quit the issue and settle myself believing that ‘What goes around comes around’ (Karma).
With a man of his nature, I can see the ‘comes around’ bit coming around quicker, rather than later…
Kind Regards,
Adrian Welke.
From: “K. C. Li”
- Organization: Laser Business Systems Ltd.
Reply-To:- Date: Monday, 2 July 2012 18:55
To: Adrian Welke
Subject: RE: Official complaint: UKWhitegoods.co.ukHi Mr. Welke,
Thank you for your telephone call today and the below summary of your grievance against ukwhitegoods.co.uk.
We have asked Ken for his response in respect to your complain and, even though he is on holiday at the moment, he has responded in full. Please see the attached his reply for your information. As it is your word against his without a clearly defined boundary. We feels that we have done what we are reasonably expected to do. In addition, we do not have access to the ukwhitegoods forum. I feel that it is a matter between yourself and Ukwhitegoods Ltd to settle.
Under the circumstance, we may only act if ordered by a Court of Law.
Regards,
Kwong Li
Laser Business Systems Ltd.Now, I’m sorry but if I read that right, that is a veiled threat.
Probably of a violent nature.
Should anything happen to myself, my family, my property or my business that I have reasonable grounds to think that Mr Welke is responsible for this will be escalated to a police matter in the first instance.
I’m not going to state what measures can be taken beyond that. Not options that I would willingly partake of but, if there is a call to protect any of the above I will not hesitate in exploring “other options”.
K.
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