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There’s a campaign launched today with, the LFB, The Mayor of London and consumer protection organisations pushing Whitegoods fire safety.
It’s being debated on the Jeremy vine Show today. It might be the first item up at just after the news at 1200. It might be woth listening to.
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And have incorrectly stated (again) that the Grenfell fire was caused by the FF which is currently not a certainty, as yet unproven.
K.
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And on the bit where Jeremy Vine discusses what’s on his show at the end of Ken Bruce’s slot Jeremy Vine states that its not worth repairing whitegoods due to the costs involved – its cheaper to buy new.
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Another link to peruse….
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I forgot to add, and since listening to J Vine on iPlayer the topic really got nowhere. Much like many TV and radio programs regarding the recent tumble dryer recall.
Pressure now put on the government to act since Grendel though will now force the issue of white goods safety and the regs being urgently up-dated.
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You’re correct Martin, the debate didn’t really get any where.
It didn’t cover a lot of things. However, it did cover the bad habit a lot of people have got into of turning things on and going to bed or going out to leave them unattended.
It just never used to happen. Gosh, when I were a nipper, we had to go around the house unplugging everything before we went to bed 😉
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Most manufacturers have time delays on some models which encourage people to have them on when in bed or out, and what about these super smart machines that can be switched on remotely, I’ve how about some of these smart meter installs that have went up in flames due to faulty connections.
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Who remembers this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYWyydW7clw
(sound on)Steve
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Oh gosh… 1979…sorry to say I do. When Aunty Beeb did public information films…
So corney but so simple and apt.
I spent a few years fighting with growing up teenagers who insisted on putting their phones on charge under their pillows whilst sleeping and leaving chargers on when not in use 😡 😡
They’ve, thankfully they’ve got out of those habbits and are quite electrical safety savy now they’ve matured slightly.
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They were also the days when appliances were off when you pushed the switch on the front.
Unlike today when most go into standby.
Have shocked a lot of customers when I tell them their appliance is never off till you pull the plugDave
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I listened to it yesterday more or less live and, apart from the usual media glorification it was interesting that the LFB are trying “not to scare people” and yet at the same time calling for action from government.
Hmm.
Methinks that the LFB are bored or perhaps seeking attention. I say that as, in the grand scheme of things, the incident of fires that are a direct result of an appliance failure and not caused through use and/or mis-installation are incredibly low.
If you look at the likes of dodgy wall wart adaptors/chargers and God only knows what else is sold from Amazon and Ebay with no QA at all, you kinda have to wonder what the biggest danger is. Even what the higher instance of fires will lie with in volume terms.
But to go after big static brand names, that’s easy ain’t it? Sure is a lot easier than trying to police Ebay, Amazon, Gumtree and so on.
But to do it the way that is oft mooted you’d need a “DVLA” type system in place to monitor and record ownership changes and all that sort of thing and, that I’m afraid is hugely difficult to do and would cost boatloads of cash.
Government doesn’t have the cash. Manufacturers don’t and, even if they did they wouldn’t spend it on this. Leaving poor old Joe Punter the taxpayer and consumer to pick up the tab given the existence of the Magic Money Tree has been disproven.
Then there’s this whole thing about flammable backs on fridges that’s really annoying me so, pardon the turn of phrase but, it’s complete ballcocks.
If the bloomin’ thing is going to catch something else is already on fire, what the hell does it matter at that point?
That is, to me, like saying all garden huts should be metal as if a fire starts wooden ones burn easier, it’s just completely bloody stupid. Pointless.
Address the cause, not the consequences.
If I were in the manufacturers shoes I know how I’d defend against this and it’d be a close runner to saying, go forth and…
K.
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Whilst I agree with some of what you say, the LFB have all the data on fire and probable causes.
I believe it was the LFB that pushed the Beko fridge/freezer fires so I’m not so sure it’s just attention grabbing. They were also big on pushing to get Hotpoint/WP dryers recalled. For your information, they do have many campaigns including cheap dodgy wall adapters/chargers. Their job is to help prevent fires not just to put them out. Most Fire Brigades were very active in the “ban the pan” campaign. Look at the massive, and I mean massive drop in the number of chip pan fires!!
Yes, there might be more adapter fires but how many cause dramatic fire damage. Quite a lot just burn out at the socket. (bad enough, I’m not trying to trvialise it)
It’s obviously an area they are quite rightly concerned about.
So, you don’t think putting a metal back on domestic refrigeration will make a difference? I’m interested in your thoughts.
I’ve only been in the industry around 14 years. Does anyone remember metal backed domestic refrigeration? Will the addition of a metal back still stop the insulation igniting with the heat from a compressor fire or similar?
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Nope.
Metal back on a fridge is pointless really.
I go back to, what caused it to light up? That’s a far more pressing issue than how it burns in the very, every rare occasions it’d even matter.
If you look at fire data and, I have, the instances of appliances being an issue are low in the grand scheme.
Now, look at what’s being reported, not just the tabloid crap you see and general scaremongering from some quarters. What you see is “incidents”, what you don’t see is details around that.
So you don’t know (nor do I or anyone else) if it was a fire, how severe it was, if it was just a door seal rubbing, what make it was, what the actual cause was, where it was, how it was installed….
Need I go on or do you get the point? 😉
And once you get fires or anything really down to a level that’s not really an issue as such (not trivialising it just stating the obvious) what do all those people that are employed to ensure our safety to do then?
They need to find something to do or, they’re out of a job and I’m guessing it’s a pretty cushy number.
So, they need to produce results to be seen to be effective and worth paying for. Therefore what do you think they’re going to go after? The stuff that’s easy and they can make a media meal out of or, the stuff that’s hard to do and nobody really cares about anyway?
And these people, soon as they get a whiff of something that will justify their existence and pay, will be on it like a band of limpets.
Then you get the “facts” and “statistics” being trotted out, usually misrepresented and/or out of context.
Hence, we have a media hoopla as the above includes journalists looking for a good story, even if it’s complete horse manure.
It then gets to the people with a bit of sense in the civil service who see it for what it is as well as how much solving the non-problem will cost and it’s all bound for the long grass where it probably belongs.
K.
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FYI, I worked out the rough stats on risk level in percentage here….
http://www.ukwhitegoods.co.uk/appliance … ires-a-day
K.
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