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Re: Will the Miele last with 3 kids?!
WhirlpoolQueen wrote: Same with cars, I mean just look at Volvo, once a great car, now……..well let us not go there.
Please go there, 😕
Way OT but,
I am on my 7th Volvo estate, without exception they have all been super reliable.
No major problems of any kind, as far as I am aware the first six are still on the road.My latest V50 2.4i auto is a great car in every respect.
I guess you could be one of those ‘unlucky’ people. 😉
Jim.
Re: Will the Miele last with 3 kids?!
adamhornsby wrote:So an expensive 1200rpm machine can spindry more effectively than a 1600rpm cheap machine.
Martin wrote:No way! We are talking ‘centrifugal force’ here and any washload in any machine irrespective of make will extract more water at 1600 than at lesser speeds. Theres no more holes in a Miele drum than an equivalent Indesit. So both of equal size and speed will extract the same amount of water. Decrease the spin speed or the drum size and there is no comparison.
Really, thats not what it says here: 😉
http://www.ukwhitegoods.co.uk/modules.p … age&pid=16
All very well having a fast ‘centrifugal force’ but without a lot of holes, where the water gonna go?
And I’d think you would find there are more holes in a Miele drum than an Indesit, as they are made from thicker stronger steel, so they can perforate it more.Re: Will the Miele last with 3 kids?!
adamhornsby wrote:And I’d think you would find there are more holes in a Miele drum than an Indesit, as they are made from thicker stronger steel, so they can perforate it more.
Adam,
Please read again what I said and the point I was making, if you will? Then go out and count all the holes in a Miele, then an Indesit drum if you think your point has any credence?
What gauge steel do you think Miele and Indesit use anyway? I wonder if its the same?……surely not? :rolls:
Re: Will the Miele last with 3 kids?!
Martin wrote:No way! We are talking ‘centrifugal force’ here and any washload in any machine irrespective of make will extract more water at 1600 than at lesser speeds. Theres no more holes in a Miele drum than an equivalent Indesit. So both of equal size and speed will extract the same amount of water. Decrease the spin speed or the drum size and there is no comparison.
Actually, it is possible Martin for a lower spin machine to extract more water based on two factors, the number of holes in the drum and the useable area which the clothing is spread over, both have an effect. So the statement made is incorrect, although I think I know how you arrived at it.
Just look at the old Hoover 1100’s, they extracted less water than a Candy INOX 807 (800rpm) in their day.
There are differences in the number of holes in a drum across many manufacturers with, for example, the Miele Honeycomb drum having less holes but retaining decent extraction through a bit of trickery. If you read up on it the blurb explains it reasonably well.
Equal size and speed are not the only two factors that come into play.
I don’t know what you meant by the last line. 😕
In short though it’s kind of irrelevant as the difference is minimal between even 1200 and 1600 really in terms of water extraction in real terms, of more concern to me would be additional creasing with higher spins which means more ironing.
K.
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We’re talking ‘keywords’ here…… 😉
Martin wrote:Theres no more holes in a Miele drum than an equivalent Indesit.
Now, as we speak my mate Adam is out there counting the holes in both brands…….. 🙂
kwatt wrote:I don’t know what you meant by the last line. 😕
The s/steel gauge used for all manufacturers is pretty much the same. (I think you will find? 😉 ) But then again Adam is on the case here to find out what that gauge actually is??? 🙂
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Its common sense really, that to make the machine cheap, they build it cheap, so they use thinner steel, and to keep it strong they use less holes, now Miele use thicker steel, cos they can afford to, and off course, more holes go in it.
Simple really 😉Re: Will the Miele last with 3 kids?!
Martin wrote:The s/steel gauge used for all manufacturers is pretty much the same. (I think you will find? 😉 ) But then again Adam is on the case here to find out what that gauge actually is??? 🙂
No, it does vary and affects the strength of the drum and the loading that it can handle. Also, the composition or grade of the steel can alter from manufacturer to manufacturer (and even model to model) as well and this also can affect the strength of the drum.
There can be considerable differences.
K.
Re: Will the Miele last with 3 kids?!
Normally a machine with a 1600 spin will probably only spin at 1600 for the last two mins of a spin cycle at most.
My m/c has a 1600 spin, but I ALWAYS reduce the speed to at most 1200, because as Kwatt pointed out the amount of creasing at 1600 is ridiculous. And I don’t like to see the missus struggle with her ironing 😉
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Think the creasing is bad with a 1600rpm machine, I’d hate to think what the clothes come out like from the 1800rpm Miele Navitronic and the 2000rpm Gorenje. 😉
Especially shirts and jeans- they’re the worst.
Some serious ironing there folks. 😆Re: Will the Miele last with 3 kids?!
There’s ways around that to an extent Adam. 😉
However, they will crease heavily I should think but I’ll tell you better when I’ve tested one of them.
K.
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I am glad I have caused some debate on this thread because I have learnt such a lot through you guys ‘bantering’ with each other.
…..less ironing will surely make the wife happy (modern man I am, but not with an iron 😆 ) 12 hours to go….even I am excited for some stupid reason!
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Has it arrived yet doozeruk? I have also remembered that the Miele W1000 range does have special programmes for shirts and denim to keep creasing to a minimum
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Its arrived…yipeeee 😀
As it was raining (I am self employed trying to work outside!) today I spent 3 hours re-plumbing all the copper piping so that the Miele had a more comfortable fit in our conservatory/utility….it does look very nice.
Can’t tell you how it performs just yet as my wife done her favourite trick of doing a load while I was out for a few hours tonight and then leaving it in the machine until the morining ready to hang out!!
I will report back in a couple of days…..should have done a few washes by then 😕
Re: Will the Miele last with 3 kids?!
superfix wrote:Normally a machine with a 1600 spin will probably only spin at 1600 for the last two mins of a spin cycle at most.
My “newish” Hotpoint Ultima 1600 WT761 does a stupidly long 20 minute final spin cycle on cottons programmes, however when selected it will spin at 1600 rpm for 4 minutes!
Just over 3 months old, 2 machines and 2 repairs later its running as smooth as silk! I’m happy with the machine now. The first machine went BANG on the installation cycle! Was replaced the following day by the same model. about 6 weeks old the second machine decides to start randomly dumping black splotches onto laundry, and stained the wash paddles with the same black splotches. Indesit Co came out, couldnt understand the fault! Simply replaced all 3 wash paddles, and said it should be fine.
All been well until end of august when the pressure switch failed. It overfilled, got so high the emergency pump out kicked in, i got a H20 flashing error on the screen till it pumped all the water out then sat there with the drain pump running flashing f-08 at me. Hotpoint were out in 2 days, replaced the pressure switch, and now all is well.
It even rinses better now! The old pressure switch never allowed high fill rinses, and with only 2 rinses as standard, the outcome was pretty dismal. However with the new pressure switch fitted, rinses now fill about 4 inches up the dor improving rinsing performance greatly!My point originally for this post was to point out that my Hotpoint does the set spin speed for 4 minutes, rather than most which just do it for around 1 to 2 mins! I then got ranting away! Hope I didnt cause anybody to die of boredom reading this!
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No that was rather intresting, although i cant seem to understand why the spins arent long, i think they are on Miele machines, but all the bantering about global warming with peoples tumble dryers, yet the spins dont spin at high for the entire length, i know they have to distribute the load, but its just seems a bit strange. 😕
I also cant understand why Hotpoint machines still carry a 5 year guarantee, i mean, do Hotpoint really still have faith in their machines, after Merphoney group took them over. And by god, do the Hotpoints need that guarantee…. 😆
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