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Re: You must be CORGI registered to work on gas!!!
jeremy wrote: is it worth the risk?
If you are a fully paid up member of The Whitegoods Trade Association I’m sure the legal bods there will insist you declare whether or not you have a CORGI registration? I’m sure their COP is watertight enough to safeguard against any such abuse. 😉
Re: You must be CORGI registered to work on gas!!!
jeremy wrote:yes u can fit a door seal etc etc but what say if the flame picture from the burner is incorrect, are you able to identify it, are u able to correctly repair it are you able to serve a notice on the appliance if its unsafe etc etc, basically you have to treat the applaince as a whole and if ure not corgi registered and something goes wrong or is incorrect you were the last person to touch it! is it worth the risk?
What you say jeremy is spot on. I am Corgi reg to repair gas dryers, and on a recent inspection from the Corgi inspecter, he mentioned the gas boiler in the same room as the dryer. Therefore my knowlege of gas safety has to include other gas appliances even though I only repair dryers.
To say ‘I only changed the lamp m’lud’ is just a cop out.
Why should an appliance engineer be responsible for a device that he has no working knowledge of?
For that matter why should a heating maintenance engineer know anything about a cooker?
Sorry, that just doesn’t make sense to me at all and, unless you carry a flue meter etc. about as well as your normal kit how can you inspect a boiler, water heater or fire?
K.
kwatt wrote:
For that matter why should a heating maintenance engineer know anything about a cooker?
K.He shouldn’t
But he should be aware of any safety implications the cooker may have on his boiler repair (and vice versa) when for example calculating ventilation requirements.
Re: You must be CORGI registered to work on gas!!!
But surely, if the boiler engineer doesn’t know squat about a cooker then why should be we expected to know about gas appliances that we have neither the knowledge or the experience to correctly assess.?
As for ventilation requirements, so long as the hood above the cooker or hob is above the minimum and there is either an opening window or adequate vent to outside air then a cooker/hob should be fine.
Determining the ventilation requirements for a boiler, water heater or fire is just a tad more complex and I for one have neither the time nor the experience to correctly assess this. I wouldn’t expect an appliance engineer to do this as we are not a police force for CORGI and/or the HSE and, if we were to do this, we’d spend all day policing such things for no reward. To me that’s neither practical or sensible.
Frankly, I ain’t going there but you can if you like. 😉
K.
Re: You must be CORGI registered to work on gas!!!
ccn1 covers all the aspects of ventialtion , gas safety, testing, identifying problems and being able to deal with them, its the basic requirement you then add the various elements to that eg cookers/gasfires/water heaters.
ccn1 only really allows you to run some pipework doesnt allow for much more so most will have that element added.bottom line is we arent the police for corgi but we are instrusted with having to make sure a persons gas applainces and installtion is safe, persoanlly i dont see the issue with that. ive had occasions like im sure many others have been to fix a cooker and found their gas fire to be ID, it may be annoying as it slows ya up but then thats built into the charging to the customer and i havent met one yet who hasnt been gratefull for the fact i may have saved them serious health issues. i dont see the big deal if you want to deal with gas then you have to expect to do what the hse instructs, if not then ya dont get involved with gas work.
Re: You must be CORGI registered to work on gas!!!
kwatt wrote:
Determining the ventilation requirements for a boiler, water heater or fire is just a tad more complex and I for one have neither the time nor the experience to correctly assess this.
K.That is the whole point. if you want to work on a gas appliance ( be it a cooker or dryer or dual fuel cooker ) then you should have the knowledge in all aspects of gas safety.
That’s fine but in effect what it says is that a car mechanic should know how a truck or bus works and that, if he notes a fault getting on a bus one day he should report it to the relevant authorities. Or that we should also be a qualified electrician as we work with electricity as well and, where we find fault, we should notify whoever it is we have to notify.
My point is, where do you draw the line?
I am not comfortable in the least passing comment, especially one that can cause potential financial harm to a customer of mine, when I haven’t the training, knowledge or experience to be considered, IMO, qualified to do so.
K.
Re: You must be CORGI registered to work on gas!!!
I think we’ve established in this thread (so far) that only CORGI registered engineers can repair gas appliances. 😉
And as again jeremy explains that, as a CORGI engineer, you have had sufficient training (through their 10- 14 week CCN1 course) to carry out on site safety checks and inspections as part and parcel of their responsibilities.
I’m sure jeremy will help me out on this one also? But I believe when you go (say) to fix a gas hob (tumble dryer or whatever). That you have to check that the ventilation is of the current approved standard from the outset? If it is not then the engineer has the power to isolate the gas supply, issue a formal notice to the householder or landlord and notify CORGI. Gas appliances cannot be used until such time as the problem is rectified……as I understand it?
Now to open the debate even further……. :stir:
As an example: – If the Bodgit & Not Corgi Registered company go along and stick a new fan oven element in a duel fuel cooker (an illegal act from the outset) And something goes wrong a short while later that they’d overlooked through their own blissful ignorance. (i.e. Gas leak had to call in BG or Transco or worst still, death through CM poisoning?).
Bodgit & Co likely as not will have a court summons. At the very least, be issued with a “Prohibition Notice” , at worst defend their case against gross negligence or even manslaughter, just as a consequence. Then (if that wasn’t enough, be sent a further summons from their Public Liability Insurers for carrying out illegal gas work not declaired to them on taking the policy out. :rolls:
HSE will have a field day :joker:
Re: You must be CORGI registered to work on gas!!!
Sorry Martin but that is incorrect.
For a trained member of staff CCN1 takes 3-5 days depending on the centre generally, but certainly no more than 5 days. The body of evidence to support sitting that course is the issue which must be greater than 80 hours work on gas appliances IIRC.
Ventilation requirements, the last I checked were as I stated in a previous post, i.e. hood at minimum height and an opening window for a gas hob or cooker, in essence beyond that you don’t need anything. However for the likes of a boiler things get a whole lot more complex with flues, room volumes and allsorts to consider.
It is not true to say that only CORGI engineers can repair gas appliances because, they can. Your example given with the fan element is a case in point.
If the gas supply is not interrupted or the bayonet fitting only disconnected, then the example you give is perfectly legal, providing that no gas carrying parts were disturbed. Any other view is, so far as I am aware, wrong.
Issuing a notice and what the customer does as soon as they close the door on you is totally outwith your control. Therefore the best way to deal with it, in order to cover yourself, is to call TRANSCO and be done with it, especially if you find a leak. But, I ain’t paid to go hunting about people’s houses looking for leaks so, I check my work and if it isn’t on that, I slap a notice, walk and call TRANSCO then it’s someone else’s problem.
I am not qualified to look for problems on other gas appliances so far as I am concerned and, in doing so, it is possible I’d be more danger faffing about with thing I know little about than the problem found.
However, since you don’t do nor have ever done gas so far as I know you’d be unaware of all this malarky.
K.
Re: You must be CORGI registered to work on gas!!!
kwatt wrote:It is not true to say that only CORGI engineers can repair gas appliances because, they can. Your example given with the fan element is a case in point.
If the gas supply is not interrupted or the bayonet fitting only disconnected, then the example you give is perfectly legal, providing that no gas carrying parts were disturbed. Any other view is, so far as I am aware, wrong.
Blimey, we seem to be chasing our own tails on this subject. 😕
Let me first refer to the original postee to the topic: –
wsts wrote: You must be CORGI registered to work on gas!!!
I see this sentence banded around alot, but to people saying it take note, its NOT true, you only need to be CORGI registered if doing gas work as part of your business or for reward.
and the conclusion from all this is exactly as wsts states in his opening comment i.e you only need to be CORGI registered if doing gas work as part of your business or for reward.
The 2 key words here are gas and work. Firstly …it’s a gas appliance, secondly……you intend to do work on it!
I rest my case…….now go argue amongst yourselves if you must. I for one ain’t touching gas appliances….Period! 😉
Now you have the sore head over this we had over a decade ago when the CORGI thing was introduced. 😉
K.
kwatt wrote:Now you have the sore head over this we had over a decade ago when the CORGI thing was introduced. 😉
:martin: :innocent:
Yeah I know Ken…honest?
Must dash….I smell gas coming from somewhere? 😯
Re: You must be CORGI registered to work on gas!!!
kwatt wrote:
It is not true to say that only CORGI engineers can repair gas appliances because, they can. Your example given with the fan element is a case in point.
If the gas supply is not interrupted or the bayonet fitting only disconnected, then the example you give is perfectly legal, providing that no gas carrying parts were disturbed. Any other view is, so far as I am aware, wrong.
.K.This is where you actually have no legal standing established, as far as the data badge is concerned you are working on a gas appliance, whatever anybody thinks that is a basic fact but Corgi and HSE refuse to put down in writing whether a non Corgi engineer can work on such things as fan elements etc on these appliances and you end up with different answers from different people, until they do then nobody is going to have a definitive answer and this sort of argument will carry on.
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