You’ve Been Moderated!

[iadom]

Re: You’ve Been Moderated!

Would it not be better to lock Lawrence’s post. It is after all a statement, it does not solicit a response or need one in open forum IMHO. He has clearly stated the actions that are going to be undertaken so we should leave it at that for now.

Jim.

[kwatt]

Re: You’ve Been Moderated!

I would agree with that actually.

K.

[Jackal]

Re: You’ve Been Moderated!

This post in the General Trade Forum is by Washdoctor and at the time of posting it was being held for moderator approval.

I have refused to approve it.

I am ladies and gents totally sick and tired of Washdoctor posting this hatred and crap which once again comes on here in the early hours of the morning most likely after after two or three sherbets too many. His only purpose in posting is to try to discredit Ken and the WTA. He is one bitter man!

Well we can all start slinging the mud, and in Ade’s case just look at his background, Beech Appliances Ltd, went bust, the phoenix of that, Appliance Care Wales Ltd went bust, now he is Adrian Welke t/as Appliance Care South Wales (and my information on that suggests its because of an insolvency service voluntary agreement for a directors ban).

He was removed from the WTA for non payment of his subscriptions for two years, fact. He was the only member of the WTA whom claimed expenses and more, (he requested and received a £2k laptop computer which he agreed to contribute £900 for but to date never has). Fact

He expected to use the WTA to further his own FME business but they stood up to him. Fact

He continues to show himself as a member of his own FME venture, of which the criteria is to be a member of either DASA or the WTA, which he knowingly is not. Fact

I can provide evidence of his carrying out work on gas appliances when he is not registered with Gas Safe. Fact

All of this is provable, look at companies house for confirmation, look at his websites to see the gas safe logo and a purported membership number which when checked at Gas Safe does exist. look at the FME website and ask for an engineer in CF31 to see whom comes up. Look at his postings confirming he is not a member of DASA (0800 Thread) and more recently the WTA thread.

With all this, it is clear to see AW has lost the plot and I personally think he is a cowboy operator in this industry.

As I said earlier, I am sick and tired of his ramblings, insults and deliberate confrontation, he adds no benefit whatsoever to this site.

I know Ken will resist it, but I am going to ask you my fellow moderators to back me on this and I formally ask Ken to delete Washdoctors access to this site, for the benefit of all concerned.

Jackal

Begin Quote From Washdoctor

Before I type… This is for the purpose of Kenneth Watt. Can I clarify that the post below is made by Adrian Welke, (washdoctor) Proprietor of Appliance Care, South Wales. The post below is from myself, speaking on behalf of myself, not on behalf of any other business that I’m involved in (So no need to contact any other business I’m involved in showing them copied & Pasted comments from me to you in a closed Trade Forum)

Is the WTA just UK Whitegoods Ltd in disguise?

Why would that be the case? What’s the purpose?

Ok… The evening before the WTA was formed, a UK Whitegoods Ltd Director approached me and said words to the effect of:

“Hey Ade, we’re setting up a new Trade Association and we want you to be a part of it”. Me being in ‘Nappies’ so to speak in this industry was mighty pleased that someone had ‘Noticed’ me.

The next evening, (This dates back to Sibson 2007), with Kenneth Watt & Lawrence Carey heading the table, the WTA was formed. This was done after several beers and among friends. I speak for myself here, but I went along with it as they knew more than ‘lil’olde me… So hey… I’ll keep in with them!

Anyway… The WTA set off to look after the ‘Independent’ Trade.

All Happy days

Then… At a meeting in London at the OFT that Kenneth & Myself attended (For the approval of the OFT), Kenneth, whilst making his usual ‘Jibber Jabber’ speeches let something slip. UK Whitegoods Ltd were previously denied OFT Approval because they were a Ltd Company. I of course (Being ‘lil’ olde me) didn’t cotton on to anything at this point, I mean come on… Ade, a Welsh bloke from Cardiff in the OFT with Kenneth Watt, Director of UK Whitegoods Ltd… TBH, I was out of my depth…!

Anyways, we took advice from the OFT and off I went to compose a COP for the WTA. I completed the COP (As it is on the WTA Website now) and submitted that to Kenneth Watt for approval. Again, another trip to the OFT. This time, Lawrence Carey attended too, as it seemed that they were listening and had acknowledged the COP I had presented. Again, we left with advice and I followed their advice to ‘Official Application’ Stage.

So… Months later, I get an email from the OFT stating that the COP had passed pre application assessment and had been recommended for formal approval. YEY! At last!!!!

Next WTA Meeting…! We were all upstairs, drinking beer & celebrating the first WTA Meeting that had been so far the best, when someone said… “Can we congratulate Ade on the COP progression”… Everyone cheered, but then… The very same Director that ‘Head Hunted’ me at Sibson in 2007 kinda lost the plot! He sat there and reminded everyone that it was UK Whitegoods that had been driving the COP and we should never forget it…! That was the first time I thought ‘Uh Oh’…!

After the above event, I questioned Lawrence Carey (WTA Chairman) about the connection between the WTA & UK Whitegoods Ltd. As I was prepared to give up my time & effort for a new TA, but not for something that was for the benefit of Kenneth Watt. Lawrence assured me that this link would be broken and the WTA would be a complete, stand alone TA. I was happy with that! (Smile). At the same meeting, The WTA agree to buy me a MacBook Pro to the cost of £1800. I agreed to pay half. Lawrence had a MacBook Pro bought for him too, but I don’t know the details of any repayment in his instance. (We’ll come back to this later).

I’m going to miss out on lots of minor stuff here as the thread will take 3 months to read, instead of 2 weeks!

We get to 2010. The WTA Team meet at Kens UK Whitegoods Ltd base and we start work on the WTA Website re-design. Since the WTA Website had this really good function that enabled members to be seen online, I put it to the whole Team that the WTA spend some money on advertising the WTA Website. Initially, the WTA Team were behind the idea, until Kenneth Watt jumped in and said no! He said it would cost at least 5K Per Month to even get an impression on the web, so we put it to bed as a no. However… I couldn’t understand this…! So I left his office thinking ‘How do we get to a level where DA Repairers can be seen online’? ‘How can we do something so the members on the WTA Website are not just there to rub DASAs nose in the fact the WTA have more members than them? (That’s for another thread)!

I then thought of developing a website, that could include other Trades. After all, if Ken is right, we need to generate enough ‘Spending Power’ as he put it to get a presence on the web. So I thought of FindMyEngineer! I rang Lawrence and immediately told him of my idea. He seemed very keen, then I rang Ken. He said ‘Forget it’. It wont work…! Then Lawrence changed the tune too! Again, I couldn’t get my head around it so I decided to go it alone.

2011… I plan to launch a website that is designed to give people like us more of a chance to be found online. I inform Lawrence of this and requested that I present it to the WTA on the night before the WTA Meeting to WTA Team Members. The ‘Presentation’ (If you can call it that) was a disaster! Nobody listened, nobody cared. I left the room while the WTA Team discussed, then came back in to a speech from Lawrence saying how me being involved in FME and on the WTA Council might create a ‘Conflict of Interest’. Ok… Now I’m fuming…! A ‘Conflict of Interest’? HUH??? We have a Director of UK Whitegoods Ltd on the Team, and that doesn’t be seen as a ‘Conflict of Interest’? We have another Director of UK Whitegoods Ltd losing the plot as per above over the COP… That doesn’t create a ‘Conflict of Interest’? Anyway…

I accept the choices & go home. I then wanted to ‘FORMALLY’ question Kenneth Watt regarding his ‘Influence’ in the WTA. The conversation got ‘Heated’ shall we say and Kenneth Watt, threatened to withdraw all resources from the WTA. We quickly (Me included) backed down, apologised and we left it as that.

Later in 2011, I launched FME. I asked the WTA permission to start a thread in the WTA Forums and they said yes! So I did.
So, a Year on… 2012. Ken has changed UK Whitegoods ‘Search@’ to ‘FindAnEngineer’ and we’re all rocking up to the Feb Meeting. What a meeting that was a? The best yet!!!!!!!!! We all leave incredibly happy!

Then we get home to be re-aquatinted with DrDill in the FME Thread in the WTA Forums. The thread had been trouble free for over a year, now it’s looking like a ‘Bitch-Fight’! I was instructed by the WTA Team (Ken & Lawrence), not to reply as he clearly wanted a debate and I’d fuel his fire.

I ‘Obeyed’ this, until Sat 17th March! I’d been out for the Rugby (We won the Grandslam, yes I’m Welsh) and had got home to see the bullshit that was occurring in what I thought was my thread. I then disobeyed Kenneth. I replied…! OH MY GOD. Yep… I’m telling you, I replied…! I replied to DrDill!

The next thing I know, it’s 00.50 and I have an email from Kenneth Watt saying he’s deleted my post and I’m to stop being a f***ing muppett…?! (I since sent my original post to DrDill and even he agreed it shouldn’t have been deleted) So I TXT Kenneth Watt on ‘Whatsapp’ (iPhone4 App) and we spent an hour or so slagging each other off and calling each other names. Haha…! Haha…! Stop being a silly f***er & go to bed, speak tomorrow…! That’s what I thought anyway…! Untill………

I wake to an email from Kenneth Watt sent to the WTA Council stating that he gives notice (For the 2nd time) to withdraw ALL resources from the WTA, including web hosting, Forum hosting & ‘Accounting’ etc

I then get a reply from the WTA Chairman stating that without UK Whitegoods Ltd resources, he can’t see the WTA as ‘Viable’ (Go on Lawrence, I dare you to contest that statement). I then see emails from another Team member stating ‘I think we should ask for Ades ‘resignation’. Then another that questions ‘Who is more important’…! Ok, so now I’m mad… What has mine & Kenneth Watts private argument got to do with the WTA??? Oh yeah… It’s about ‘Power’. I pi55ed him off, so now he has to throw his hand. So he aims his hand at the WTA………………!

I resign. I do NOT want to be a part of ANYTHING that is run or ‘Controlled’ by Kenneth Watt. The simple FACT that he withdrew all resources from the WTA and then the Chairman is questioning its ‘Viability’ confirmed to me that the WTA is NOT an Independent Trade Association.

Further from that, Kenneth & I argue further. I post a truth in the General Forum, that’s met with aggression and then I’m ‘Moderated’. Which basically means that I can not post in my own words. I have to edit my posts until they are deemed fit to post as per Kenneth Watts opinion.

Then…..! Yes there is a ‘Then’…!

Kenneth Watt then emails my partner in FME with ‘Cut n Pasted’ comments that I made to him in the Trade Forums asking for FMEs comments on one of its Directors ‘Acting’ like this as he was going to publish a News Article & contact other Trade Associations. Kenneth Watt didn’t post the whole thread in the email, just my ‘Select’ Comments. After clarification, it was confirmed that FME has never posted in UKW Forums as a Company, nor has ever posted to him personally and the matter went quiet.

We come back to the £1800 Laptop that the WTA paid for (Your Money). I emailed Kenneth in 2010 shortly after receiving the Laptop clearly requesting that the WTA Invoice me for my half. (See below). No Invoice from the WTA arrived.

However, I received an Invoice from UK Whitegoods Ltd for £900. I questioned this and was told by Kenneth Watt ‘I’ll get Tracey to sort it’. That’s it. No more said on the matter… UNTILL….

I stood down, argued with Kenneth Watt and then was sent a demand by Kenneth Watt threatening me with a Statutory Demand issued upon myself personally from UK Whitegoods Ltd & My personal Bankruptcy. This was his way of handing ‘Power’ down on those below him. I replied accordingly indicating that he had his facts wrong and that I would seek Legal advice and get back to him. I did NOT owe UKW £900 etc but he still continued to demand his way (As Image below). However, in this instance, he obviously doesn’t understand the difference between the WTA (Whitegoods Trade Association) and UK Whitegoods Ltd.

These are brief summaries of SOME of my experiences whilst a Team Member of the WTA.

On this note, I ask you… Is the WTA Independent? Or is it Kenneth Watt / UK Whitegoods Ltd in disguise?

Ade.

[kwatt]

Re: You’ve Been Moderated!

I agree, he is out of order. In more ways than one I suspect, but posted him the following final warning:

kwatt wrote:Hi Adrian,

It wasn’t me that rejected it, the reason for rejection will be given. I therefore haven’t read it, only glanced at it and I understand it’s the same rubbish you’ve been trying to post for a week or more and, every time it gets rejected. It will not be accepted as it is classed as trolling.

Now there are numerous calls for you to be banned from the site completely but I have resisted that on the understanding that, should you try to post any sort of trolling posts, harass any site members including the admin team, moderators etc then I will have no option but to ban you from the site completely bar the public front end through pressure from other users.

Please understand that this is the final warning that you will receive and that the ban will be put in place for a minimum period of six months.

Regards

See what he does but, with the contempt that he quite obviously holds for myself and his actions thus far, I fully expect to be banning him in the next day or two.

K.

[kwatt]

Re: You’ve Been Moderated!

I’m off for a couple of hours to spend time with the kids and T so I will leave it in your capable hands to keep an eye on Mr Welke’s posts.

At least then it’ll be a conspiracy of more than one he’s up against. :rolls:

K.

[kwatt]

Re: You’ve Been Moderated!

Username “raw”.

Banned.

It’s Tony Clifton in disguise and he’s been rumbled.

He misrepresented himself on application and only got rumbled due to his abject stupidity in asking for technical support, asking Amica for work and a bunch of other silly things to do when you’re keeping a low profile.

So far as I am concerned the guy was a complete cowboy anyway, to the point where spur marks and horse manure were mandatory at every call. But, asides that he’s proven it on many occasions.

Even if he’d asked nicely I’d have had trouble letting him have access again but, he didn’t, he chose to gain access through nefarious means and that’s just plain wrong only serving to prove the above.

Now he’s levelled threats against the site and that’s just not on.

All IT is aware of the threats and security measures have been taken by Trevor and Sudeep to avert anything this idiot can possibly do and it is being monitored.

If he does try anything the police will be notified and I have every intention of pressing charges if it comes to it.

Just so you all know.

And, I’m still not well and could well live without this sh1t.

K.

[kwatt]

Re: You’ve Been Moderated!

Now, the question is…

Should we agree to moderate Mr Parrie or not?

Call it sixth sense or whatever, his application for trade status I kept, I rarely do but something about this one sorta seemed a bit “off” will we say. See what you think…

A Word document letterhead was received along with an NICEIC certificate belonging to an “Alan Wells” from this company: http://www.assured-elec.co.uk

This was the body of text:

J parry (27/03/13) wrote:Dear Sir/madam,

Hi we have just branched out into the appliance repair industry as part of our electrical business and was hoping that we could become a member of your trade area, I have attached a copy of invoice etc, also our web site links and contact numbers are at bottom of invoice.

Thanks for your help in advance

Kind Regards

J parry

Jamie Parry (25/07/13) wrote:The emails were sent from that domain. Hence I didn’t go too deep as it appeared legit from that. but this is the body of email trail….

Hi good morning we sent an email yesterday for trade access to your site we was wondering how long this process takes as we would like to gain access to technical information and post in the trade forums would you be able to get back to us regarding this matter.

Thanks for your help in advance
Kind regards

J Parry

kwatt (25/07/13) wrote:We were looking into this for you because, as you may be aware, the forums are restricted to employees and companies directly involved in the appliance industry only.

What has thrown us is that your company appears to be an electrical contractor that does some appliance work as an “add-on” service and not as a mainstay of the business, which is unusual. The evidence provided, whilst more than adequately provides assurance of electrical competence does not actually offer any evidence of involvement with the appliance industry, which again is somewhat confusing to us.

So, all we really have to go on is a page on a website that says that you repair appliances and little else to support that you are involved in the sector.

Can you clarify further?

Sorry but for insurance and legal reasons we have to do this as part of the due diligence we have to be able to demonstrate.

Regards

Jamie Parry (25/07/13) wrote:Hi Kenneth thanks for your email we branched out into the appliance repair industry which we are growing about 6 months ago to compliment the electrical sector of our business. we now employ appliance engineers if you search appliance repair Cardiff you will see our Adwords campaign at no 1 assured appliance repairs also we are now on 192.com etc and as part of growing the business your site would help us with contacts and any technical information we may require. If you require any more information please don’t hesitate to contact us also if you wish to speak to me my contact no is 07500116526 or 02920 712569
Kind regards

J Parry

Jamie Parry (26/07/13) wrote:Hi Kenneth,

I didn’t hear back from you yesterday so I’m taking the time out to fully explain my position in the Whitegoods Industry before I leave for my days work today.

I trained and qualified as an Electrician and then started my own business. Over the years, domestic work has slowed therefore leaving me to look in to other areas where I could grow my business.

About 6 Months ago, I expanded in to the Whitegoods Industry. We actively seek domestic customers (By paying for Adwords and local advertising etc) and we carry out repairs day in day out to domestic appliance customers. At the moment, I’d say the appliance repairs are 40{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} of my business and rising so I’d disagree with you when you mentioned that it’s an add on to my business. In actual fact, I’d say that without the Whitegoods work, my business would not be able to continue as it is so therefore, that does in fact make the whitegoods side of the business mainstream.

Although we have spare part accounts with Qualtex and Connect Distribution, we are looking to widen our options when it comes to parts, technical information and in general, any help within the industry, which will also include joining relevant Trade Associations if it will help the business grow and develop.

I’m looking forward to joining your forums as not only can I get the help I’m seeking, I could also offer my expertise to your other members if they have any issues relating to electrical problems.

Like I said yesterday, I’m happy to talk to you anytime so please call me if you’d like to discuss further. My mobile number is: 07500 116526.

Kind Regards,

Jamie Parry

That’s about it really until he pops up on here a few months later with the NAC crap etc.

K.

[kwatt]

Re: You’ve Been Moderated!

Correction, it’s the Certification Director that’s Alan Wells. :rolls:

That’s what I get for skimming.

It’s only the company name that is on the certificate.

K.

[admin]

Re: You’ve Been Moderated!

Yes please for god’s sake moderate him..shoot him..or castrate him .. just shut him up..

Bryan

[kwatt]

Re: You’ve Been Moderated!

Or I do my long game thing and just allow him enough rope…

Then moderate him. 😉

K.

[iadom]

Re: You’ve Been Moderated!

Dangle him on the line a bit longer, he’s sure to put his foot right in it sooner or later. 😉

[kwatt]

Re: You’ve Been Moderated!

I might have a plan…. just saying. 😉

All I need for him to do is come out with one more denial and then present the circumstantial evidence.

K.

[iadom]

Re: You’ve Been Moderated!

Well Ade does have a new company car to pay for up in Yorkshire. 😀

[kwatt]

Re: You’ve Been Moderated!

Well, he played the rope out….

K.

[iadom]

Re: You’ve Been Moderated!

Can you not match the IP addresses from the e mails or iMessages he sends you, the jamieparrie account is being accessed from a Virgin Media (Ntl) cable account and at least two different mobile devices, both from different service providers?

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