[ConnorM]

Re: Help! Need motor for Tecnik TKD-701 dishwasher

electrofix wrote:…if your engineer knows his job he should know this …

May be jumping to judgement here, but thsi repair man sounds like either a fool or a knave.

There is a test you can do. Not on the machine, but on the repair man : ask him to power the thing up to the point it hums and then ask him to do the “blockage” test (turn the pump paddles) with his fingers. If he’s a fool he’ll attempt it. If he’s a knave he’ll admit that would be foolish (his fingers will do the job of the starter and send the paddle whirling – and his fingers with it!)

[ConnorM]

Re: Hotpoint 1509 2-pole will work in 9605???

electrofix wrote:will see if i can find time to scan manual spares pages or get photostat

Dave

That would be really helpful and really appreciated.

Regs

[ConnorM]

Re: Hotpoint 1509 2-pole will work in 9605???

electrofix wrote:hotpoint used to supply a power system which was all the middle less the motor

Yeah, came across that the other day: http://www.4hotpoint.co.uk/cgi-bin/prod … ath=127481

Must say I was pretty amazed they’d sell such a comprehensive ‘spare’.

electrofix wrote:
to answer your question the complete middle from the early machine should fit but you may not be able to swop components. although the inside of the gearbox did not change later ones have a groove for the circlip to hold the bearing. you could put the early support tube in but you would also have to put in the top bearing and the early tub support as the later one did not have the hardened ring for the thrust bearing.
i cant remember the dates everthing changed but the main one is the motor change at date code 02 unfortunatly i cant find my early tech manual only the later 96 series one

NB if an earlier machine had been fitted with a new power kit then it would be fitted with the later support tube

Dave

More great info. Would it be really cheeky to ask if you could somehow supply me with a copy of that tech manual? Spares sourcing usually comes down to knowing the correct name for a part – something I’m sure the tech manual would help with, and god knows I’ve got into enough trouble with iadom calling things the wrong name. “Spiralator” (gyrator) was something he took particular exception to. Can’t say I blame him. 😆

Speaking of which, here’s another odd question I simply have nowhere else to ask: why have the remaining (indesit) gyrator spares (eg http://www.mytub.co.uk/product_informat … uct=374737) got holes spiralling up them (ie a ‘vented’ gyrator)? I assume it has something to do with lessening the trapped air. The gyrator knob does tend to unscrew during operation and a friend of mine wrecked their lid because of this. Pressumably venting the gyrator reduces this tendency. Maybe there is also some (unintended?) centrifugal stirring going on, though doubt it as the top of the cone is sealed by a rubber ‘o’ ring.

Thing is would it be advised to plug these holes when using this (twin-tub intended?) gyrator in a T/l? Is there something different about twin tub seals that make them better suited to these vented gyrators than T/l seals? Indeed, was it even ever intended that the inside of the gyrator should stay dry(ish) in a T/l?

electrofix wrote:
ps have a look as this on ebay

item number
110697209489

cant tell from picture if its burnt out or not also some motors are relay start not capacitor think this may be a relay one 1509 series it was later they started using a cap, but the centre shafts are all the same and unless bearing siezes and damages shaft will be ok

I’d already asked about this motor on behalf of a friend. Thanks to your advice I was able to recognise this may be a 6 wire (hence relay start) motor, so not directly useful for a 9605. HOWEVER, if, as you say, the rotors are the same for both 3 and 6 wire, I could use this and a replacement stator to build a 3 wire model for my mate. Any news on that stator you thought you might have?

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Re: Hotpoint 1509 2-pole will work in 9605???

Ah-ha!

So basically, what you’re saying is this a a bit of a freak for a 1509, no? Am I right in thinking that if this machine has a 6 wire 2-pole motor it’s support post would be a match for 9605s?

Sorry for all the questions. You’ve made me realise how important the support tube is on these machines, so I’m looking to acquire a spare. The wider I can cast the net, the better.

Regs

[ConnorM]

Re: Hotpoint 1509 2-pole will work in 9605???

On the subject of the bent motor shaft, I spun up the 9605 rotor in a drill chuck over the w/e. I came to the conclusion I need new bearings in my drill 😕 Am now wondering whether any bend might show up by just placing shaft ends on two parallel level ‘rails’ and seeing if the rotor has a tendency to roll.

One further question if I may : wrt gearbox outer support tubes, I note this link suggests they are interchangable on 96xx and 15xx(x) series :

http://www.buyspares.co.uk/product.pl?pid=682032

However this pic of a 1509 :

suggests that there might be a difference. It would seem that the tube of the 1509 comes in two parts: the stem and the seal housing. The seal housing appears to be in the bottom left corner.

So what is the truth? Are 1509 gearbox outer support tubes the same as 9605 outer support tubes?

Thanks again for sharing your knowledge and experience.

[ConnorM]

Re: Hotpoint 1509 2-pole will work in 9605???

electrofix wrote:carbon face seal is reliable only thing that happens is corrosion pushes counterface out of support tube

Nice info. I can see how that can happen.

electrofix wrote:
the old hotpoint top loader is a brilliant machine but became too costly to produce my mother had a 1502 model and i replaced it with a 1504 which was the best model they produced after that it was all down hill

1504 had 4 pole motor (runs half speed of yours) clutch shoes where like car rear brake shoes an ali body with a friction material stuck to it.

http://www.buyspares.co.uk/hotpoint/150 … ref=519364

8)

http://yourspares.hostedbyamazon.co.uk/ … ce=froogle

😥

electrofix wrote:
the pump had 4 blades as it was doing half the speed and was rare to leak unlike later models. the gearbox had a needle bearing …

Okay, okay, you’ve depressed me enough 🙁 ( 🙂

electrofix wrote:shame but that the way things are now but with carbon emmisions on the aganda things may change

Dave

Ah, years of wisdom and knowledge, and still you cling to the desperate hope that somebody, some day, will do th eright thing, instead of invent some other spin as to why we should just pile more money into the pockets of bureaucrats, regulators, lawyers and bankers! IIRC car scrappage was sold as “trading gas guzzlers in for greener models”. I rest my cynical case! 8)

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Re: Hotpoint 1509 2-pole will work in 9605???

electrofix wrote:with the rust you are talking sounds like its been leaking for a while so check the water has done no other damage

check the brake solenoid these are covered but can fail if they get too wet

Roger that Dave. Took a look at the £ of brake solenoids : :eeek:

Sounds like something to watch out for!

electrofix wrote:also look inside the base where the shaft goes through to the tub

look at http://www.4ourhouse.co.uk/cgi-bin/sear … art=151213

you can see the rubber bellows over time this gets pushed off by corrosion and if it leaks in this area you are in for a big strip down

I’ve done the “big strip down” a year ago, in search of the grinding noise .. which was actually coming from the motor :rolls: live & learn eh? Incidentally, the seal face on that support tube post: does it ever need replacing, or is the weat all taken on the carbon seal face that meets it?

electrofix wrote:
also check the pulley on the gearbox for play on the early models they had a bearing holding the pulley but to save money they removed it result lower gearbox bearing wears and starts to leak oil

I’ve had the gearbox to pieces (during the “big strip down” and fitted a new seal, so hopefully that will not need doing for a while.

electrofix wrote:what i am trying to say is you have to know when to stop.

yeah, but I’m mental – oh, and I’m doing it for my dear old Mum, who simply could not live w/o her T/l. 😆

electrofix wrote:
the 9605 was introduced in may 1989 so all the components are that age. have not seen one for a while but in the age of fitted kitchens a top loader is out of place, hence their demise

Dave

Think this 9605 is a mid-teenager. Hopefully still life in her, plus I have a brand new 9605 motor, top-hat seal kit, pump, capacitor, clutch assembly, plus other sh spares. I’m in for the long haul! 😆

I’ll test that shaft and may be asking you more about that stator.

Regs and thanks agin for your interest.

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Re: Hotpoint 1509 2-pole will work in 9605???

electrofix wrote:been at this over 30 years seen most things

if shaft ok bearings can be replaced they use standard bearings cant remember numbers but if taken out they can be matched by a bearing supplier

you can still get pumps no prob but i heard hotpoint where buying pumps from the pattern boys so no point in using a gen part

checked on motor now obsolete think i may have a stator but would have to dig around which is why i asked you where you live

dave

Dave, thanks so much for your interest. Really appreciated.

I’ve changed the bearings on the 9605 at least twice. I used standard bearings – skf whatever it was. Worked okay, but shorter life than those fitted originally. Believe it has something to do with the heat coming from the cluth housing expanding the outside of the race (iirc the heat usuually comes from the axle – ie the inside of the race, so bearings usually start a little loose and tighten up, whereas in the clutch housing they do the opposite; I’m sure you’ll put me straight – amazing what a machine like this can teach you! 🙂 )

Your talk of a replacement stator is interesting as plate distortion (rust) is the main factor behind me not rebuilding my duff motor. Of course, the shaft may still be bent. I guess a quick nest might be sto spin it up in a drill chuck. Thoughts?

PS : am on south coast.

[ConnorM]

Re: Hotpoint 1509 2-pole will work in 9605???

electrofix wrote:you dont say where in gb you are or why you want to change motor

what is wrong with yours

the later motors where very reliable electrically but the bearings sometimes siezed and destroyed the shaft but you cauld buy a rotor and repair them any other problems were caused by the pump leaking ( this never happenend on the 4 pole motors as they where running at half the speed )

Dave

Ah, you’re a canny one! Plates in stator buckled because of a water leak from the pump. This (distorted radial field?) I’m guessing then played havoc with the tolerance ring / bearings. In particular the upper bearing seemed to have more give in one direction perpendicular to the rotor axis, suggesting it had made the bearing eliptical; it certainly sounded that way – bit like a light aircraft 😆

Anyhow, I much appreciated your input re the 1509 / 9605 differences. I’ll need to chew those over and maybe have a stab at coming back with a semi-intelligent further question.

Thanks again.

[ConnorM]

Re: Hotpoint Top Loader Seals : 15XX series same as 96XX ser

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Yup, “spiralator” surely is an annoying term, and obviously one produced not in the technical dept but in marketing. How perverse they should take the trouble to dream up a special name just to appeal to people, when it does the complete opposite 😕 Bet they got paid a fortune for doing it too. 😆

Oh well. Anyhow, returning to the matter in hand, thanks so much for your advice on the top hats / tripods. I’ll pass the info on and see how my mate wants to proceed.

Thanks again.

Oh, almost forgot : SPIRALATOR! [makes dash for forum door]

😆

Best regs. C

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Re: Hotpoint Top Loader Seals : 15XX series same as 96XX ser

iadom wrote:Please, its a gyrator…. 😀

No, Haven’t had one of those for 20 years or more. 😥

Ah-ha! At last, I have a source that has 35 years on you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1_cygQzApU

😀

But seriously, in the absence of Martin clarifying his post I’d really appreciate your input on whether a top-hat seal for a 1500 series will or won’t fit a 9600 series machine.

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Re: Hotpoint Top Loader Seals : 15XX series same as 96XX ser

Martin wrote:

ConnorM wrote:
Quick question …: are seals (top-hat, bellows, carbon-seal) seals for the 9600 series interchangeable with 1500 series?

Yes!

ConnorM wrote:In particular, I am interested in a new top-hat seal for a 9605 but most searches turn up 1500 spares. …

… the “top hat seal” (a.k.a. carbon faced seal) … for a 9605 series is different from the older 1500 series,…

😕

Martin, with respect, you seem to have contradicted yourself.

Martin wrote:…
the good news is that I’m clearing out my garage next month, … If I come across anything I’ll let you have first option. 😉

Cheers! The question about the seals was for a mate, but they may still be interested. I myself am looking for a spiralator and lint filter, so I’d be interested if you have these.

iadom wrote:I cleared out my obscenely cluttered garage ,,,

I did save one or two bits including a complete top seal and tripod kit if I am not mistaken.

If you get stuck let me know and I will have a look see. 🙂

I may well be pointing my mate in your direction. Thanks for the offer. Don’t suppose you have a spiralator in amongst the saved stuff (bit bulky so I’m guessing, “no”)?

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Re: Hotpoint 9605 Agitator spindle removal

asambrook wrote:My beloved 9605 has now gone to the great scrapyard in the sky 🙁 …

..the motor was beautifully quiet when run without being connected to the gearbox …

.. Very sorry it had to go.

Me too. I’d have had that motor of your! 😆

Indeed, I’d have had your agitator (and its retaining spindle, plus your fluff filter). Damn tripod is wearing my agitator to the extent that it will undoubtedly either ground the agitator against the drum, or cut the poor agitator radially in two! :eeek:

I notice spare agitators have holes in them, ~ half way up, presumably to reduce the achimedian upthrust. I’m sure we’re all aware how the grey agitator retaining spindle can come undone during a cycle when the plastic knob’s locking ‘teeth’ get worn away over time. I’m guessing the tendency to unscrew the spindle is increased early in the cycle whilst air remains trapped inder the agitators cone. Anybody have a workaround to fix that problem?

iadom wrote:

ConnorM wrote:

The main gearbox bearing? Where is that?

I mean the large central bearing used when the machine spins, it sits directly on top of the gearbox on the central shaft.

That’d be the one the entire drum / gearbox assemble hang off / sit on, depending on your perspective, right?

With regards to the upper motor bearing, the centralising clip is most easily removed by taking a drill bit of size equal to the width of the groove in which the clip sits and drilling straight through the bearing housing from the outside. Flips the thing out in seconds. Or course, you have to centre-punch the hole pretty precisely, but other than that it’s immediate and definite.

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Re: Hotpoint 9605 Agitator spindle removal

iadom wrote:Unless you are talking about the thin wire type retainer used on some motors that slots into a small groove in the motor casting. In that case it is a bit fiddly but can be done with care and a thin bladed screwedriver.

The angle of attack makes that, as you say, fiddly. You can chase that thing around its groove all day.

iadom wrote:A similar but much larger crimped shim is used on the main gearbox bearing,

The main gearbox bearing? Where is that?

[ConnorM]

Re: Hotpoint 9605 Agitator spindle removal

Either of you care to advise on how to replace the multi-kinked bearing centraliser that stabilises the inner motor bearing? 😉

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