[karlmb]

Re: Siemens Siwamat XL1411 stops sometimes and blinks "wasc

Martin wrote:When the ‘Washen’ LED flashes can you open the door?

No, at least I dont think so, can check next time it happens.

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Re: Elektro-Helios DI830-3 won’t fill

Please, any more info would be appreciated!

[karlmb]

Re: Elektro-Helios DI830-3 won’t fill

Any links to this error of the pressure switch in the past?
So there is no point in replacing the plastic container also?
I mean there is little point in spending too much money on this old machnie for the switch if there will also be still the cleaning prob of the plastic container every now and then..

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Re: Elektro-Helios DI830-3 won’t fill

Dave_Conway wrote:

karlmb wrote:
Hmm pressure switch? Is this improved in design as spare part?

It’s made by a different manufacturer basically, whether it’s an improvement or not is open to question 😉

Dave.

Aha…
So the basic error is not in the stupid plastic chamber then?
So it is a well known fact that the original design of the switch is crap?

This is great, this is what I suspected all the time, that the design is bad in som part of the machine since I have two of them nearby and both shows the same problem over and over again.
I think Electrolux should give me two new pressure switches for free since this is a design fault giving me a lot of pain….

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Re: Elektro-Helios DI830-3 won’t fill

Sorry for my late responce, I had some problems seeing any forums here at all once logged in, only outlogged, sometimes.. 🙄
But now it seems OK.

Yes it is a true Electrolux product, similar machines with similar performance was:
BW 410, BW 420 och BW 430

http://www.order.se/article.asp?Article … uId{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d}3D8654
Denna artikel passar till: BW400/ELECTROLUX
BW405/ELECTROLUX
BW406/ELECTROLUX
BW407/ELECTROLUX
BW409/ELECTROLUX
BW410/ELECTROLUX
BW411/ELECTROLUX
DI810-3/ELEKTRO-HELIOS
DI810-4/ELEKTRO-HELIOS
DI830-3/ELEKTRO-HELIOS
DI940-3/ELEKTRO-HELIOS
ESF610/ELECTROLUX
ESF616/ELECTROLUX
ESF620/ELECTROLUX
ESF621/ELECTROLUX
ESF631/ELECTROLUX
ESF640/ELECTROLUX
ESI632/ELECTROLUX
QB400W/HUSQVARNA
QB405W/HUSQVARNA
QB410W/HUSQVARNA

Hmm pressure switch? Is this improved in design as spare part?

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Re: Elektro-Helios DI830-3 won’t fill

whitevanman wrote:hi karlmb

do you live in the uk

rgds

wvm

Hi
No Sweden..
What do you think of my problem?

BR/
karlmb

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Re: Purchase advice?

kwatt wrote:Blomberg are actuallynow owned by a company called Arcelik (yes, I know) who are a Turkish manufacturer. They bought the Blomberg washer factory when Brandt got themselves in trouble a few years ago.

Karl, quite honestly the savings are too insignificant to be of any real use in determining what machine to buy IMO. In fact, if you consider how long you’ve taken to work that lot out and then the minimal savings to be had it really wasn’t worth the effort. And, you’re just assuming that the machine will last for more than nine years and not require any maintenance within the period.

You also have to deal with increased ironing due to the higher spin, so you may well end up back in the red with your cost equations even without factoring in the time wasted ironing.

Also please bear in mind that, like cars, whitegoods manufacturers supplied figures are very often a tad optomistic at best. 😉

K.

Well, maybe you are right, at 1200 rpm we reach the optimim speed with regards to cost and energy conumption.
But here in Sweden everybody is talking about to buy a real spinner in order to save energy.
And I guess that a few years ago, it was a general conclusion that 1000 rpm would be the maximum ever needed with respect to cost and energy saving…
Now we have a quite common standard of 1200 rpm.:roll:
Why exactly 1200 rpm and not more?

As I see it now when I have studied the market I see the spinning rpm as a sales booster (for sure!) and the manuf. always have the highest speeds on the luxury models. And this gives an unwanted extra cost if you are just after to save energy.
In order to come away from that you should buy the sligthly slower machines (1400 rpm) since they have almost the same price as the 1200.
With higher speeds, the price will go up exponentially and it is not worth it.
So my first asumption to hunt for 1600 rpm mashines where wrong, 1400 would be more worth for my money today.

Comparison: the prices for computer and or processors, you shouldn’t buythe fastests but the ones where the price just start to rise…

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Re: Purchase advice?

About Blomberg, I don’t see any reason to favour Blomberg in front of BSH if I understand you correct? They may be good but can end up expensive.
BSH are as good and can still be made in Germany, have to ask the retailer about the specific machines then.

But about spinning rpm..;
Miele for instance claims on their homepage that for the Novotronic T 273 C the:
Verbrauchswerte

Bei 800 U/min (Energielabel):
Stromverbrauch: 3,40 kWh
Bei 1400 U/min:
Stromverbrauch: 2,55 kWh

This sounds to mee locical and when I look at Blombergs stated “Entwässerungsgrad” at: http://blomberg.mcs-world.de/_upload/fi … {e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d}20WAF.pdf

– I can from Blomberg read that going from 1200 rpm to 1600 rpm will get me a reduction of moist from 55 to 45{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d}. This is a reduction of 8.5{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} which not have to dried out by the drier.

Both of the specifications above I rely on, giving me headache when you are claming here that it is no idea to spin higher than 1200rpm.
Why exactly 1200 rpm?

According to an investigation here in Sweden as much as 1/3 of all electricity in anormal family of 4 (normally total use around 20000 KWh for a small house including electric heating) = 6700 KWh are used every year on cleaning and drying the clothes.

A simple calulation by myself gives that if I use the dryer 4 times a week all year round I would use up around 3.0 kWh (std value for 5 kg cotton clothes coming from a 1200 spin?) times 4 times 52= 624 Kwh per year.
I this could be reduced in the same way as going from 3.40 to 2.55 = 25{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} the total saving would be 620 kWh -25{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} giving a saving of 155 Kwh every year.
In Sweden we have relatively cheap electricity but it’s still around 10 cents per kWh, giving a total saving every year of around 16 Eu.

My conlusion of all this is that if I choose to spend an 150 Eu extra for a 1600 rpm spin instead of a 1200 rpm spin, I will save that in over 9 years with todays electricity prices.

Taxed money, and who knows where the electricity price will end up?

One could argue ofcourse that the most cost effective way is to buy a 1400 rpm machine since those are about 50 or even 100 Euros cheaper…
It would save you half the electricity but the extra cost (compared to a 1200 rpm alternative) will be paid back after only maybe 3 years instead.
Hmmm..
🙄

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Re: Purchase advice?

ABout spinning: I can agree to your comment about stress on bearings and so on, but there is a lot of energy saving to be made if you are to dry all clothes in an dryer. If not I agree but electricty will not get cheaper I’m afraid.

Thanks for your paralells to cars! Have been working at Volvo but always (almost) been driving Mercedes I know what you are talking about 8)
ASKO-Cylinda would defintely be my number one of not the prices had gone up to Miele levels!
Miele is the only one I still rely on the badge, but for how long?
Mercedes have started to produce a lot of crap after 1994 so you have to study everything nowadays 😥

So, I’m probably stuck at BSH for budget reasons. What about Blomberg, shall I forget them?
And shouldn’t I try to find a German made BSH?

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