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Re: Fitting out new kitchen
Phidom wrote:My advice would be to avoid integrated appliances but then I have a vested interest as they are often a nightmare for repairers. My record to date was 75 minutes to change a washing machine inlet hose 😯
god help us!
Re: New kitchen appliances – advice needed
Dave_Conway wrote:Firenzi don’t actually manufacture, it’s merely a brand name.
Depending on the product, it’s either made by Electrolux, Whirlpool or Bosch generally.
Dave.
Firenzi is brand name off Magnet. And never manufactured by Bosch.
You wont go wrong with any of the brands you have shortlisted. So much so that you need to think about what you want from the product,Do they meet your needs? If so. Go for the best value for money i.e. features and benefits for money.Edit! And Im guessing by the dates that you’ve made your mind up already on the purchase since it was January!! Doh!
Re: Similarities in White goods
and american style fridge freezers too!
but hardly an extensive range 😉Re: Similarities in White goods
yeah but they are outsourced! and only freestanding because they have a corresponding kit to build em in.
Re: NECHT Appliances
alf_uckem wrote:in all fairness, the cupboard doors used by this firm are of excellent quality.
if you could design your own kitchen, buy cupboard carcasses from somewhere like b&q, source your own appliances (shouldn’t be too hard on here 😉 ) and then use their doors, you shouldn’t go far wrong.do they operate a cash and carry policy? if so that could be the answer.
cheers.
Only because most kitchen companies have to buy their doors in from other manufatcurers!! so if buying the carcass from b&q get the doors as well! sigh.
Re: BBC TELEVISION WANT TO HELP YOU!!!
Penguin45 wrote:Cheap? They’ve never been so cheap. The whole price issue is completely misunderstood. On the surface, low cost is good for the customer. It doesn’t take a lot of thinking to start to wonder how this can be done.
Obviously, build quality is the first place to start. It falls on the low end appliances, often dramatically. The appliance is physically incapable of a long service life. Secondly, technology. The rise of electronic controls is sold to the public as allowing greater efficiency in operation and hence lower operating costs. The real reason is that it is quicker for an assembly line operative to snap on a couple of edge connectors to a cheap electronic board than to assemble an electro mechanical control. The trouble continues in that there is no circuit protection to these electronic controls, so any problems results in the board being blown. Blatant profiteering on the part of the manufacturers results in replacement part and repairer costs rendering even the most basic appliance beyond economic repair.
The result is that manufacturers can keep their factories running, albeit at reduced margins, due to the high disposal rate. This is where multi badge ownership is so useful – didn’t like the Hotpoint that only lasted two years? I’ll buy a Creda this time. Or an Indesit. Or an Ariston. No better, but it might take ten years for the man in the street to work his way through one manufacturers brands….
Given the circumstance of this thread, I feel we should mention Miele. No interest in mass market domination, Mercedes Benz build quality and the ability to sell every appliance they make. Also, no deals or discounts. If it were Stella Artois, we could say “Reassuringly expensive”. They sell to a market prepared to recognise the economic (and ecological) sense of purchasing appliances designed to last twenty years.
Regards,
Penguin45.
Funnily enough! Stella Artois is the most cheap brand of beer you can buy in Belgium!!! So all thought your example is flawed it actually serves to prove your point. Branding is everything!And to be honest the retailer are the biggest villains in this. The manufacturers provide good products. The retailers pretend to be making a better deal for the consumer where all they are doing is cutting their costs on purchasing and maintaing their margins. I.e. more money for them whilst manufacturers then have to close factories and move to lower cost countries. ! Oh but then the consumer complains about loss in quality to the retailer!! and then the retailer hits the manufactirer!!
Retailer and consumers are the evil ones!! Pay the price you would expect for quality. And respect it accordingly!!!!!!
Re: Similarities in White goods
Neff is only a Built-In Product brand. They do not make “freestanding” products. They are part of the bsh group which manufacture the brands as mentioned by previous poster.
Neff are a strong brand in the UK in Built In. Hotpoint are also a strong brand but bot so much in integrated products. Hotpoint is now owned by the indesit group (Ariston). Hotpoint products in the built in sector are trying to build on the success of the hotpoint Uk brand strong in homelaundry. Their products are not anywhere near as good as Neff or BSH group. I say this from knowledge in the indusrty as well as personal experience with “indesit group” products.
The one thing you can be sure of though. A built under double oven are basically a UK product. Europe and most of the world do not really use double ovens. Us Brits LOVE to Grill. So all built under double ovens from all manufactiures are made in the UK.
Do me a favour! Dont buy Hotpoint. and you’ll be allright 😉
