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Re: Earth Loop Impedence Test Equipment
A Pat test is only compulsary for those of us, that repair, any appliance, in non-domestic situations. This includes appliances repaired in our workshops.
😥Re: Earth Loop Impedence Test Equipment
Instaltest 61557 is a very good meter. Does everything you would want,but a bit bulky and expensive.
I have been using this unit myself for about 11 months. It is quite complicated to use or understand at first. I would say the robin units are more suitable, and simple meters to work. Best kept for those with a very good understanding of testing procedures and principles.
s 😯Re: Does anyone check wall sockets?
Forgetting the commercial side of the argument, it is quite right; electricians do go to school for years to learn their trade. Most of the “engineers” in our “Profession”, do not have any formal training, yet like to think of themselves as competent to do their job.
Manufacturers training consist of usually a” two week course” these personal become “experts”. Are these people better “engineers” than most, I do not think so, they just work for a manufacturer.
Formal training (the like of Apprentice electricians receive) prepares them for the work that will they will do in later life. This generic training provides them with Theory required, to give the ability to cope and understand the situations they will encounter in the course of their daily work. This theory in conjunction with the on job training is measured, and a qualification issued.In our situation How would any government body, separate the cowboys from the better cowboys. That is mostly, the choice, anyone looking from the outside would have, only because our trade is not a trade in the proper sense.
Only Formal qualification training would deliver the theory, required to supplement the experience in a measurable standard, “engineers” would be graded according to ability.
Going back to DASA. Being actively involved for a few years now, I have taken the opportunities that have come up from time to time. Yes it has cost me money and time to partake, but I enjoy furthering my formal education. If I was not a DASA member, I am sure these opportunities would not have come my way.
On the commercial side, I have to agree, it costs money to do anything, time is money, but how does the” trade” move forward when we argue that it costs 25p per job (figure plucked out of the air) to do this test, instead of “well this is the best way to do it attitude” 😳 😳 😳
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Re: Does anyone check wall sockets?
At this years DASA agm, it was decided to adopt earth loop impedance testing into the DASA code of practice, As testers are expensive, time was being allowed for members to comply, therefore at this moment in time, it is advisory although not compulsory to use them for DASA Membership.
The quality criteria document is the revised standards document, which has been around for a few years now.
This document is what council decided ,the level of competence that members, should have, and will have to, comply with ,fully to ensure their continued membership. There was an acknowledgement from the DASA council at the drafting that time would be required for members to comply, as this new level can cost a lot of money, for business to achieve. and It would be unfair to insist, for an immediate changeover.(I can only assume the two documents referred to in this forum are:-
The later Document the new code of practice the standard Dasa members should be working to achieve
The older document is really the old code of practice.)ps
The speech I made at the AGM about the safety testing must have went down really well if it sent you all to sleep, I will try to make it more interesting next year. 😈
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Re: Does anyone check wall sockets?
Checking earthing, i do for my own personal safety. My engineers are advised the same, i insist this important task is done for every job, and the results recorded.
Remember every appliance discharges electricity to earth thru the mains filter, it only needs to be plugged in, not in operation.A good earth is essential to prevent accidents. Therefore, should this test, not be part , of a professional appliance engineers job. As far as i know in any manufacturers manual since time began, this test is specified.
In the posts above, their is signs of, a regular occurance of faulty socket outlets,with reverse polarity, etc. How many appliances out their, that you repair, are incapable of blowing a fuse, due to the lack, of a good earth. Standards are not about money.
❗ “Safety first” ❗
sRe: UK Whitegoods
Good quality machines, may sound better to any customer, than skip dodgers, but would we not be losing out on the repeat business, volume repairs and contract work. Replacing modules in the cheap and cheerful machines of today is so much easier than the 879 timers of the past, and the added benefit of not having to knock out taper bearings daily, for me is bliss. Customers on the whole accept the poor quality of their appliance, the only exceptions i find, are the customers who buy expensive and find after only a few years they need a repair.
Re: Does anyone check wall sockets?
Better practice to use an earth loop impedence tester, this will ensure the earth path has the capacity to carry any possible fault current and operate the protective device within the stipulated time. A bad earth will not show up using a Martindale type tester.
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SRe: Hoover tumble drier timer
Timer came in today ordered under part No supplied by Dave. As this is the 4th different part number that has been ordered which has superseeded to part number 04750236. Somehow this one was correct, different from all the others, well done dave, can you now explain how the other three timers all stamped on them, part number 04750236, which is also stamped on the original faulty part, and this latest arrival which is correct.I have been drinkless for some time now , but this has sent me over the edge.
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SRe: Hoover tumble drier timer
Thanks Dave, i have the part, its the timer terminals that bare no relation between old and new. The new timer has two rowsof terminals, a&b numbered 1-12, the old timer has individual numbers which bear no connection, to the replacement. I was hoping to obtain a conversion chart, no-one seems to be able to supply. You would think this would be supplied in the box. Typical gias.
Re: Electrue/NESN
Having attended the DASA agm and being actively involved in DASA affairs, I am surprised to see a post here, that their is Quote “Then there’s Network DASA in the offing.”
Can this be clarified?
I am under the impression that “network DASA” is a team of people, who are collating the skills and postcodes of DASA Members, this is being done as a member service to enable any work providers, to easily target this work provision.
The way I read the above post is different to what I understand. The DASA name should not be used by anyone, without The DASA council’s authority.
SRe: Electrolux group automatic washer/washer dryer configura
A number of years ago, at a Dasa AGM, I remember a member stating he would not help or encourage anyone in his area to join the trade association, he thought it was his right to be the only one in his county.
His was a long established family business and he wished to protect his area, to enable his dynasty to continue. I thought this was a terrible attitude, and pointed out my reasons for this.
Ted has the right attitude; we will all need help in some way. Sometimes it may be only to, buy the right meter, get a better deal for insurance or technical help on a strange machine. Ok I can understand some of you may have “lost a contract”, it will not be the last time this happens, nowadays it is getting more common place. But remember, how you gained your experience, when you started work. We all had to start somewhere, some of us had the benefit of formal training, with a quality company, some of us picked it up in other ways, but we all had help.
The next job you do, or contract in the offing may require some knowledge, or some background information, which I am sure we have all benefited from, at some time.
In my opinion this is what a trade association and / or these forums are about, sharing our knowledge, technical background and experiences, building trusts and friendships. One thing I am sure of, is that depriving the chance, of someone else who is asking for help to earn a crust, just because they are starting up, not part of any network, or are inexperienced, is not in the spirit, of what is trying to be achieved by trade association members and /or this group of forums
We all have different strengths; we have to pool our resources, so think about this formula, which is available to you all just now
Varied experience on virtually any appliance in the UK +
In Depth technical knowledge and fault finding capability +
One of the largest Contacts database in the trade +
Being part of a body of like minded people sharing business experience =Successful businesses, that will be informed, have the ability to move on and improve in quality.
😆 Be Happy
When robin did a presentation in the past, the chap set up a special deal for us at the meeting. When i approached the company,he recommended, i found they were selling them cheaper,than the DASA deal Their web address is http://www.test-hire.co.uk/ I would think they may come down in price for quantity. They are local to me if it is of any help. I have bought some items from them, they order them in and takes about a week. 8)
I have looked at this meter on various web sites, i cannot find in the technical spec if it has the d-loc feature. instead of the Robin KMP4116DL you would be better looking at, the KMP 4120DLEarth Loop Impedance Tester. It features a 0.01R Ohm resolution, and has d-loc, it is the one i use and in the write up it states:- This remains the only tester of its type able to perform loop tests without tripping most passive RCD’s. (http://www.instrotech.com/page19.pdf ).
Having d-loc is an important feature for appliance engineers.It still trips out some very sensitive systems, but in practice i have found this to be a rare occasion.It has a very simple operation.
💡 Insulation testers
On calibration issues, for those people who have several meters, why not get a test box made up, with a 2ohm and 2 Mohm resistances,have this calibrated, and use it as a check box on a regular basis,recording the results. this will save you submitting all your insulation testers for calibration saving you money. I think hotpoint may even have a part number for this item.Contacts as above post. Eurorealm have a new system under development. They do not give out freebies or trials, but usually turn up at shows. Stocklink from washvac is one of their programs, usage of their service and stock programs are similar, with reports tailored to suit.At the last service show,in luton, the “real” time service programs, using the internet and pda’s, were quoting 5 figure setup fees with substancal annual costs. Some were impressive and could be adjusted for our industry,again at cost. All were aimed at corporate users.
