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Re: Purity of Dishwasher Salt
Martin wrote:
Trilobite wrote:
Is the supermarkets’ own version of dishwasher salt as pure as the brand names (Finish, Glist, etc.)?The 10{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} (or so) remaining are simply additives designed to encapsulate the product in a free flowing, non congealing barrier that dissolves instantly it comes into contact with water!
And what exactly are these additives? Anti-caking agents? Surely salt should be just salt; ie NaCl…with nothing extra added?
Re: Siemens Siwamat 6102 Error Code 1
Make sure that you don’t have the Rinse-hold button activated. This would cause the machine to stop after the rinses, and not spin until told to by the user.
How much detergent are you using? Overdosing can cause excess foam and poor rinsing.
2/3 of a cup should be sufficient for a full load; possibly slightly more for overalls and/or hard water conditions.
Re: Bosch Dishwasher SKT 5102 table top model horrendous noi
Hi again,
The Hotpoint Tabletop 7892P, also has another model number: SKTHPA2GB. Bought around 2001. (I think the Bosch model at that time was the SKT5002).
Fairy powder was the detergent recommended for the Hotpoint, (said so in the manual), so it should also be fine for the Bosch.
Just bear in mind that all powders purchased in supermarkets, corner-shops, etc. tend to be of the modern enzyme/oxygen bleach formulation, which can still cause overfoaming if too much is dosed. Tea stains and tomato sauce stains have a habit of not always disappearing.
The old style powders with chlorine bleach tended not to foam up, bleached brilliantly, but they were sore on glassware and fine decoration. They are now known as the “Professional” style, and may be purchased in Cash & Carry’s, or Farmers’ supply shops.
Re: Bosch Dishwasher SKT 5102 table top model horrendous noi
A friend’s Hotpoint Tabletop machine (a Bosch in disguise) does exactly the same thing, a screaming groan: sets your teeth on edge. It is caused by an excess of foam. In some cases the machine can actually leak wash solution around the bottom of the door.
Best to use powder and do not overdose; try and match the detergent dosage to the dirtiness of the dishes, decreasing the amount for relatively clean dishes.
As I’ve said before, the old style “Professional” powders are still available (chlorine based bleach) which have less likelyhood of creating foam. They might be available from a local wholesale shop, or Farmers’ Supplies shop, with the brand names of “Sun”, “Bryta”, and “Finish”.
The modern tablets have far too much detergent in them for a tabletop machine; they are meant for a full-size, 12-place-setting machine. Sometimes, there is even too much foam in slim-line, 8-9 place-setting machines.
Re: Hoover Optima D840 – Error
davejm wrote:Penguin… unfortunately I can’t remember if the water was hot at the time it got stuck on the cycle.
Trolobite… cheers for the tips, although I can’t actually do anything with it as this combination of lights appears as soon as I power it on, i.e turn the dial to a program number.
Sounds as though it is stuck… Have you tried cancelling the programme? I think you have to press and hold the start button, in order for it to advance its timer through the complete sequence: lights should click on and off, until finally, the ‘end’ led illuminates. Release the button at this point.
If it will not advance through that cycle, try switching to all other programmes and repeating my suggestion. (I can’t remember if there was a particular programme that was designated for cancelling, or if it applied to all).
A final suggestion is the flood protection circuit may have activated. This is a very basic system on this machine, meaning that there is no base plate to catch water leaks. Instead, a special pressure switch is activated in the flood condition: to release this device, you have to disconnect the cold fill hose from its tap, totally, then replace and turn the water back on. This should reset the switch.
Re: AEG Favorit 4040 Pumps Out Continuously
But the modern AEG’s tend to be Zanussi’s by another name.
My mother had three Zanussi’s, each one was flimsier than its predecessor. 🙁
Really, the better machines come from Bosch/Siemens/Neff, and Miele. You can literally feel the quality:
More substantial metal linings.
Cabinets that do not lurch alarmingly when the door is opened/closed. Better coating on the baskets.
Baskets that glide in and out without jamming.
Spray arms that don’t wobble when rotating.
Far superior heat insulation, and noise insulation.Altogether better machines. 😉
Re: Bosch Exxcel 12 place dishwasher programme failure
Running the hotter, longer cycles might also be beneficial in keeping the machine clean. Try using a dishwasher cleaner on a hot cycle every three months.
I’m not convinced about low-temperature washing at all.
Re: New dishwasher drying fault with quality 3 in 1 tablets
Thanks for the updated link with new bulletin excerpts.
Could Kwatt, etc. publish further extracts, or complete bulletins?
I find this all quite interesting. 🙂
Re: Hoover Optima D840 – Error
I had one of those; dated from about 1998, a Candy machine by another name.
The most likely scenario is a faulty heater, or a dodgy thermostat.
I don’t think this machine was properly electronic, it had an electro-mechanical timer under its ‘push-button/rotary selector dial’, with a mixture of led’s for the programme progress indicators, and neons for the rinse-aid & salt lamps.
The ‘start’ button was not latched. i.e. you had to press and hold for the timer to impulse and advance into start. There was also 3, 6 or 9 hour time delay options.
The ‘arrow’ symbol signified ‘end of programme’.
There was a two-speed motor; a special button described in the manual as “Super Lavage” (Super Wash). (Known as HPS or somesuch on Candy machines). This gave a more intensive spray pressure for heavily soiled dishes. I usually left it switched on.
A half-load option fed the water to only one basket, was it the upper one?
There was also a ‘quick-wash’ programme, which had static heating for around 18 mins (no motor action). When the temperature was reached, one of the ‘clock’ symbols illuminated (I think it was the neon one), signifying the requirement to load dirty dishes and detergent. I found it left dishes wet (no drying).
Anyway, try this:
Empty machine of all dishes, clean the filter, the try the machine on a normal 65 degree Celsius without detergent. Allow the machine to wash for about 15 to 20 mins, then open the door and see if there is any steam inside. If not, there is a problem in the heating area or thermostat. It might not be the components themselves, it could be a broken wire in the door area (wiring loom passes by the hinge area, subjected to flexing and stress).
Power off before removing any covers.
vatinspector wrote:Thank you very much for your reply, I am a very nice VAT inspector!
A likely story! :rotfl:
Re: New dishwasher drying fault with quality 3 in 1 tablets
Ahhh, you’re suggesting that there will be no evidence of the tablet being there. That is why some detergents say to use the dispenser, and if the tablet does not fit, to use the cutlery basket – but not to use a programme which has a prerinse, as the tablet will be partially washed down the drain before the main wash.
But with the Finish 3in1’s, or 4in1’s, or 5in1’s, there may be evidence – in the form of the whitish, waxy powerball. This is supposedly not to dissolve fully until the final heated rinse.
With the red powerball “Classic” tablets, there should be no evidence, as the powerball in this case is a ‘stainsoaker detergent’ that is designed to dissolve, even in cold water. Fairy Active Bursts will perform the same way, as likely will the Supermarkets own brands.
Re: New dishwasher drying fault with quality 3 in 1 tablets
spoon261 wrote:
Anyway, it got me thinking, the Siemens I had and the Bosch Logix have a heat exchanger, this is used to store the heat from the main wash and uses it to pre heat the rinse water before it hits the items you are washing. The heat exchanger is only available on top of the range models.
This warm water might be tricking the tablet in to thinking it’s on the final hot rinse. Of course we do not even no if the Siemens has 2 hot rinses or not, the user guide tells you nothing when on automatic modes.
All I do no is theirs no way the Siemens can have a cold rinse due to the heat exchanger. And at the last count you always have at least 2 rinses in a program that includes drying. My AEG non automatic programs have a cold rinse followed by a hot rinse like all dishwashers did on their normal (non automatic) programs since they have no heat exchangers.I think we can rule out a ph or water hardness problem, since my new AEG and my 15 year old AEG had no problem with 3 in 1 tablets . The old AEG was made ages before 3 in 1 tablets had even been thought of.
Two things:
The old AEG might have had a heated dry cycle (heater switching on), thus causing the dishes to come out much drier than the Siemens
The Bosch/Siemens models with heat exchanger: when they were advertised in the brochures the blurb went something like this:
‘the main wash heat at 65*C is transferred to the heat exchanger, to give the first rinse a starting temperature of 50*C. The process is repeated to give the final rinse a starting temperature of around 40*C…’
So the intermediate rinse may well be to warm for the 3-1’s, causing premature dissolving.
Another thing is, that for the condensation-drying effect to work properly in the Bosch/Siemens models, they have to be fed with cold water.
Re: New dishwasher drying fault with quality 3 in 1 tablets
Dear Mr Penguin,
You’ve got the wrong end of the stick: there, apparently, is no actual salt in the tablets. It is a polymer-type ingredient which supposedly ‘grabs’ hard deposits out of the water, and donating sodium ions. I presume it’ll be something like bentonite clay, or some such synthetic derivative, etc.
As for rinse-aids being built into the tablets, I once phoned Reckitt Benckiser to ask about the, then, newly released 3-1 Finish (with the pearl powerball rinse-aid).
I was told that the rinse-aid powerball will not dissolve properly until the pH of the water is just right, along with temperature.
I took this to mean that the wash water is too alkaline for the powerball to dissolve; it only doing so when the subsequent rinses dilute the alkalinity, and the heater kicks in again.
Re: New dishwasher drying fault with quality 3 in 1 tablets
spoon261 wrote:I have since bought a AEG F80860 dishwasher, it has a 3 in 1 mode that you have to manually activate.
It works perfectly with 3 in 1 tablets, I have only tried the non automatic wash temperature programs so far.
There is a possibility that the automatic wash temperature programs could be to blame, all the Siemens programs where automatic temperature except the economy 50.
The AEG has 1 automatic temperature program, but has all the manual ones like 65c.That is interesting, and confirms what has been mentioned in instruction manuals, that multfunction tablets may not perform correctly on automatic programmes (they really should call these “fuzzy logic” programmes, as all dishwashers wash, rinse and dry automatically).
Does the AEG have assisted drying? ie. does a fan kick in, at the drying stage?
With my Bosch, I find that leaving the machine closed for a few hours after it is finished, gives perfectly dry dishes but I have to use rinse-aid.
Re: miele G 685 Waterproof System
I would imagine that the sensor for the middle spray arm would probably be situated in the door. This might be a simple reed switch, or possibly a coil. Maybe there is just a poor connection.
If there is a similar sensor for the lower spray arm, I would think it would be situated in the floor/sump area.
Power off before going in, and beware of sharp edges.
