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Re: Bosch WAE 28467 won’t spin some items
Iadom
Thanks for your response. I wish I had read your article before I bought the Bosch WAE 28467. I might have decided to buy a model with a smaller drum (if there is such a thing}, like our old WFK 2200 which lasted 11 years with no need for any repairs. We washed the bath mats and fleecy pads many times in that machine with no problems.
Of course, the washing machine manufacturers promote bigger drums that can wash the bigger loads because that’s what customers want. But they don’t tell us that bigger drums may fail to spin-dry items that hold a lot of water. Such is progress!
I tried washing our Tumble-Twist pedestal mat on a programme with 800 rpm spin speed instead of the programme with 1200 spin. It still aborted the spin thanks to the out-of-balance detector and left the mat wringing wet. So I set it to do a gentle spin at 400 rpm. The mat emerged still very wet but not dripping wet so it dried without the need for a bowl to catch the drips.
Next time I wash one of the fleecy pads I will try using the normal wash programme but set the speed down to 400 rpm instead of 1200. I’m hoping that the out-of-balance detector will accept a slow spin but not fast spin speeds which could damage the machine. Am I right?
Re: Bosch WFK2200 My bleep’s come back
Maybe the reason the bleep came back is that the machine was giving a cry for help.
Three days ago, it started to make an unusual noise. I thought it might be a bearing but I’m no expert. (Definition: An expert is an ordinary guy a long way from home.)
Yesterday I put some shirts in to wash and set it going. It stopped running after the first rinse so I pressed the start button again. Eventually I realised that the drum was not rotating so I took out the dripping wet shirts and hung them to drip dry. My guess is that the pump was still OK but the motor had stopped working.
It was not worth spending money to have it repaired so I phoned our local Euronics shop to see what they had in stock. Visited them later in the morning and chose a Bosch Exxcel 1400 WAE28467 for £430 rather than a Meile at £590.
They delivered it at 8.30 this morning, installed it, tested it and took away the old machine. That’s much better service than I would have got from most online suppliers who would have charged about the same (including installation and removal of old machine) but not such prompt delivery.
I put some towels in the machine on a 30°F cotton wash. It took just over an hour then bleeped three times when it finished. The controls are easy to understand and the display panel shows the temperature, spin speed and time needed to finish the cycle. Brilliant!
If the new machine gives as good service as our old machine, I shall be well satisfied.
Re: Bosch WFK2200 My bleep’s come back
Greg
Received the free manual from Bosch. Read it through twice. Not a mention anywhere about bleeping at the end of the cycle.
Our daughter had a Siemens washing machine almost identical to our Bosch. It never bleeped even when new. She now has a Miele machine.
The solution might be to call out a Bosch engineer but with an eleven-year old machine it would hardly be worth paying the call-out fee and perhaps the cost of a replacement circuit board. Apart from the bleep problem, the machine works as good as new.
So the mystery remains. To bleep or not to bleep, that is the question.
Woody
Re: Bosch WFK2200 My bleep’s come back
Greg
Looked again on the Bosch website. Sent an email asking whether the manual for my machine was available as a download. Their prompt reply said no but they could send me one (free of charge) by post.
I’ve send them my address and am more than ever impressed by the after-sales service of Bosch. Last year they sorted out a problem with our new table-top dishwasher (overfoaming due to using tablets instead of powder) and replaced my three-year-old Bosch garden shredder with a new one after I accidentally dropped a small piece of metal into it and spoiled the spiral that drags material into the machine. What service!
Will let you know if the manual says anything about my bleeping problem. Did a 60°F wash this morning; it bleeped once, then after a pause it bleeped three times, then six times!
May be a bug in the electronics somewhere.
Woodey
Re: Bosch WFK2200 My bleep’s come back
Superfix
Thanks for your suggestion.
Yesterday our handyman pulled out the washing machine. The label on the back gave the E-Nr number as WFK2200GB/11. I tried this number (with and without spaces between) to download the manual from the Bosch website but it did not recognise the number. There was another number FD 7610 00545 but the Bosch website did not recognise this either. Also on the label was the number M635-M6110B0GB (the last part is the same as on the label I took off the front of the machine soon after we bought it). Again, not recognised by Bosch. Finally, the label had DVGW M630 “Made in Germany”. Again, no success
The Bosch website gives an example of an E-Nr number similar in format to my WFK2200GB/11 but without the GB so I tried it without the GB but to no avail. Perhaps they no longer offer a manual download for my model, now 11 years old.
Yesterday I did a 60°F wash. When it finished, the machine bleeped three times, paused for a few seconds, bleeped again three times then after another short pause did three more bleeps, paused again, three more bleeps then stopped bleeping. This morning I did a 40°F wash; no bleeps at all when it finished. I use the short wash for all programmes. Why does it bleep on some programmes but not on others?
If I can’t download the manual I may try telephoning Bosch to see if I can buy a copy.
Woodey
Re: Bosch WFK2200 My bleep’s come back
Hi Greg
I mislaid the manual for our WFK2200GB some years ago.
Earlier this year I posted a message about the missing bleep. You kindly responded suggesting that I should try depressing the pre-wash button (with the door closed). I tried this but did not succeed in getting the bleep back. Now it seems to have come back of its own accord, but not for every wash.
I tried to download a manual from the Bosch website but it does not recognise the model number WFK2200 (with or without the GB). Nor does it recognise any of the numbers on the label I peeled off the machine when it was new, namely B369022GB4 or 01334943 and M6110B0GB. See my previous posting and a reply from Martin saying ‘that’s the right number’ (but did not say which of these numbers was the right one).
The Bosch website asks for “the N number”. Unfortunately, the number on the label inside the door has worn off (see previous postings).
How can I find the right number to use to download the manual?
Woodey
Re: Mould in powder dispenser
For years we had the problem of black mould inside both the drawer and the compartment that houses the drawer of our Bosch WFK 2200.
I spent many hours cleaning the drawer under the hot tap and cleaning the compartment with a toothbrush. I also used bleach spray on the drawer and in the compartment.
Finally, I found the answer. After a good clean, we stopped using Comfort Blue and Comfort Easy Iron conditioner. The mould has never returned.
Fo the full story, look for my last posting on 20July07.
If you have a problem finding that posting, search for all postings by Woodey.
Re: Black Mould in Soap Dispenser Drawer
It’s now July and there is still no sign of black mould in the dispenser drawer of our Bosch WFK 2200 since we stopped using Comfort fabric conditioner earlier this year.
I can’t prove that there are no other causes of black mould than using fabric conditioner but we have made no other changes in the way we use the machine. We use the same powder (Coop Non-Bio), the same programmes (mainly Cotton 40°, Wool 30° and a monthly Cotton 90° for tea towels) so in our case it must have been the conditioner that caused (or at least encouraged) the black mould.
I’m delighted that I no longer have the chore of cleaning the dispenser drawer once a month or so.
I hope this posting will help other people with the black mould problem.
Re: Panasonic Microwave NNV682 has stopped working
Swerv
Thanks for your advice. I would never attempt to repair a microwave cooker. When it comes to electrical matters, I follow the advice given by Hilaire Belloc:
Lord Finchley tried to mend the electric light
Himself. It struck him dead and serve him right.
It is the business of the wealthy man
To give employment to the artisan.Not that I’m wealthy, just very cautious about electricity.
Anyway, the problem is now solved. Went to John Lewis and bought a Panasonic Microwave NNE255 for £50. It was quicker and cheaper to buy it at their shop than from their internet site (£59 plus delivery). Also cheaper than any other internet offer.
Our old Panasonic Microwave had a grill which we very rarely used because it was such a fag to get the grill stand out of the cupboard. The new model is smaller so it takes up less space on the worktop. It doesn’t have all the bells and whistles of the old model but it does all we need.
Took the old microwave to our local council tip where they have a special bin for old electrical equipment. Also took the fuse out of the 13amp plug just as a precaution in case someone thinks it might still be usable. My guess is that if they plug it in and find it doesn’t switch on, they probably won’t bother to check the fuse.
Woodey
Re: Bosch Dishwasher SKT 5102 table top model horrendous noi
iadom
Thanks for the info. My Manchester AtoZ does not cover Glossop but I entered your co-ordinates into Google Earth and found a large house/mansion surrounded by woodland just south east of Glossop.
The owner must have been wealthy to live there so could have been a descendent of the original W H Smith. Or perhaps they were asset-rich and income-poor so could not afford a home-help to cope with the Hotpoint Empress wringer.
As a boy, I recall winding our manual Acme wringing machine. We didn’t have a washing machine, just a galvanized tub and posser and a gas heated copper boiler. In winter, wet washing was dried on the clothes horse in front of the coal fire. Folk don’t know they’re born nowadays.
Woodey
Re: Bosch Dishwasher SKT 5102 table top model horrendous noi
Iadom
Are you sure that your W H Smith was related to the newsagent family?
The business was founded in 1792 by H W (Henry Walton) Smith but renamed after his second son William Henry who expanded the business by opening bookstalls on railway stations.
When he retired his son, WH Smith II, took over. He later became an MP, was appointed First Lord of the Admiralty and lampooned by W S Gilbert as ‘Ruler of the Queen’s navee’ in HMS Pinafore.
He died in 1891. His widow became Viscountess Hambleden. Her son and grandson inherited the title. When the latter died in 1948 his brother, the Hon David Smith became chairman.
So if your W H Smith was a member of the family, who was his father? Presumably not an eldest son of an eldest son of a viscount?
I’m curious because I live about 7 miles from Glossop. In the late 50s I worked at John Walton of Glossop (owned by Tootals). Later in the 70s & 80s I worked in Sheffield and drove over the A57 Snake road every weekday. I don’t recall a huge old mansion off the A57. Whereabouts is/was it?
Sorry I’ve digressed from dishwashers. I’m just a glutton for useless information.
Woodey
Re: Bosch Dishwasher SKT 5102 table top model horrendous noi
How did we get from Bosch Dishwashers to Rolls washing machines?
Didn’t John Bloom buy the Rolls Razor company? That reminds me that in 1947, doing national service in Aden, I bought a Rolls Razor.
No, not the traditional cut throat Rolls with the special strop, but a device like an electric razor with a spring loaded handle on one side. You squeezed the handle to make the cutter oscillate. A flywheel inside kept the cutter going until you squeezed the handle again.
I used it for several years then traded it in for an electric razor. Now, I wish I hadn’t. It could be worth a fortune on Ebay.
Re: Bosch Dishwasher SKT 5102 table top model horrendous noi
Trilobite
When did we get the ‘original’ Colston?
I can’t remember the exact date. We married in 1955 and I recall that I felt that washing dishes by hand was a chore and that a dishwasher was not only easier but more hygenic because the water was hotter than you could stand with hand washing.
I’m sure that we bought the original rounded-top Colston before 1960 but don’t know the exact year. It did a good job but eventually we replaced it with the new square-box model, probably the same mechanics but quieter thanks to the insulation.
By the way, our first washing machine was a twin-tub Acme, bought on the strength of a review in Which (I still have all the Which magazines since 1957). It had two separate motors and was really heavy. It took two men to carry it into the house. They said that the Hoover twin tub was much lighter. Unlike a Hoover, the Acme did not dance across the floor. It served us well, especially for nappies which, in winter, we dried on a Flatley drier (delivered by Mr Flatley himself). When we replaced the Acme with a Hotpoint top-loader we passed it on to an aunt who used it for many more years.
Acme went out of business because their machine was too good for the market. People bought the cheaper Hoover, even though it was nowhere near as good value for money (in the long run) as the Acme.
Why did you want to know when we bought the original Colston?
Woodey
Re: Black Mould in Soap Dispenser Drawer
kwatt
I agree that black mould may be due to other factors than conditioner and I’m sorry if I gave the impression that it was always due to conditioner. I’ve never had black mould on the rubber door seal; but we always wipe the door dry after use and leave it ajar between washes.
What we really need is some reliable research. Find some users who have had problems with black mould in the drawer and/or compartment, then ask them which make and model of machine they use, which make and type of washing powder or liquid they use, which conditioner (if any) they use, which programmes they use (most people only use two or three of the many available). Also ask if they have had black mould on the door seal and whether they wipe the door dry and leave it ajar or closed between washes. Also ask the same questions of people who have not had black mould. Then analyse the data to see if there is a pattern that reveals the most likely cause(s).
Then ask those who have had black mould to change their powder or liquid or conditioner (or stop using any conditioner) or try different programmes to see if they no longer get black mould.
The companies that make the machines and the powders and conditioners are unlikely to want to carry out this research. They each have their own vested interests.
But the WhiteGoods forum users could do it. All it would need is an email to registered members to ask them for details. My list of questions needs refining into a questionnaire for the email. Instead of speculating about causes, let’s get some facts.
Woodey
Re: Bosch Dishwasher SKT 5102 table top model horrendous noi
Trilobite
You’re right. Our new machine does take a lot longer than the old one. It has five programmes, the old one had only three. We always run the new mcahine on the Eco programme, switch position 3 o’clock. We ran the old one with the switch in the same position. The initial wash cycle seems to be about the same; the extra time seems to be in the last cycle.
However, now that we don’t have the overfoaming, the new machine is no noiser than the old one. With the overfoaming, we could hear it in the lliving room, our bedroom (both on the other side of our large house from the kitchen) and even half way down the garden.
We used to run the old one daily after breakfast. With the horrendous noise we changed to running it the evening as we watched TV in the living room. Even so, we could still hear it. Now, we can’t hear it at all.
We have long experience of dishwashers. We started many years ago with the original Colston without insulatlion, then updated to the new Colston with insulation, then to a Husquvarna (Electrolux), then the old Bosch. Because of the layout of our kitchen, we can only have a table top model. There’s not much choise of models but I am now quite happy with our new Bosch.
I have written to Bosch and to Which. Will let you know their response.
Woodey
