As promised, review of the ISEW1607W.

[Higher-water-level]

Re: As promised, review of the ISEW1607W.

Hi Ken,

Thanks again. 😀

It washes superbly, no question, probably as well as the commercial Miele, the Miele is alot faster though, that Honeycomb drum must have something to do with it? I like the fact they both wash with enough water, just lapping at the bottom of the door glass, it does a much better job than this 2 inch in the bottom of the drum stuff.

I am glad the eco ball has been dropped, it was a pain in the Hotpoint, so I chucked it! The Bosch had an eco-ball, but wasn’t a problem. I don’t know about the Miele, I would guess not as its commercial and designed for all sort of rubbish to go through!

I wash all my synthetic and cottons on cotton washes, have done for years and have never ruined anything, might be lucky, I don’t have enough clothes to seperate in to fabric groupings, so I just do it by colours, whites, heavy soil etc.

Thank you once again Ken,

All the best,

Oliver.

Oh. yes one other thing 😳 . The super wash adds a cold prewash (prerinse), should you add detergent to it. The Miele does a Pre rinse and then a prewash, but the detergent goes into the prewash. And is the heavy programme prewash heated?

[Higher-water-level]

Re: As promised, review of the ISEW1607W.

BUMP. 😀

[kwatt]

Oh I am so looking forward to getting bump limitations on the new forums. 😉

Not had an answer yet Oliver, they got a note of this less than 24 hours ago. Normally a factory when it’s a serious technical question, will take at the very least 72 hours to respond but usually a week or so.

K.

[Higher-water-level]

kwatt wrote:Oh I am so looking forward to getting bump limitations on the new forums. 😉

Not had an answer yet Oliver, they got a note of this less than 24 hours ago. Normally a factory when it’s a serious technical question, will take at the very least 72 hours to respond but usually a week or so.

K.

I didn’t mean that bit I mean’t the Post script I put on my posrt above. I am not rushing for the technical bit, just the prewash / prerinse bit as I want t use the programme.

No rush on the other bit.

Best regards,

Oliver.

[kwatt]

Re: As promised, review of the ISEW1607W.

I missed that bit.

Yes cold pre-rinse is common on domestic machines, I’ve no clue what the Miele is up to as it is a pukka commercial.

You can add detergent to the pre-wash, yes but IIRC it washes cold. I don’t have a step chart to hand for the 1607 so can’t confirm 100{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} but I’d be 99{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d}+ sure it’d be a cold wash only as a pre and I’d be very surprised if it were otherwise. Pre-wash is only supposed to “loosen” dirt for very heavily soiled garments and, these days, hardly anyone ever uses it in a domestic setting. Nowadays I think it’s only left there as a legacy thing harking back to the days (mind you all still with a hot fill still do it) the machine would fill from the hot supply before going on to a heavy cotton wash, usually only a 90ËšC or higher cycle.

K.

[Higher-water-level]

Re: As promised, review of the ISEW1607W.

kwatt wrote:I missed that bit.

Yes cold pre-rinse is common on domestic machines, I’ve no clue what the Miele is up to as it is a pukka commercial.

You can add detergent to the pre-wash, yes but IIRC it washes cold. I don’t have a step chart to hand for the 1607 so can’t confirm 100{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} but I’d be 99{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d}+ sure it’d be a cold wash only as a pre and I’d be very surprised if it were otherwise. Pre-wash is only supposed to “loosen” dirt for very heavily soiled garments and, these days, hardly anyone ever uses it in a domestic setting. Nowadays I think it’s only left there as a legacy thing harking back to the days (mind you all still with a hot fill still do it) the machine would fill from the hot supply before going on to a heavy cotton wash, usually only a 90ËšC or higher cycle.

K.

Thank you Ken.

Every machine I have ever had does a warm about 35oC Prewash, this is why I asked. I am one of the few that does use this function as is my Mum, If you saw what the Miele had to cope with you wouldn’t ask why!! 😀

So its a Pre-rinse on the Asko then.

Miele has a choice, pre-rinse or pre-wash or both. Pre-wash temp selectable in supervisor mode 35oC, 45oC or 55oC. The pre-rinse is just a water rinse, no detergent, its for really bad soiling so you have the choice. Nice I think to have the options.

I’ll add a tiny bit of detergent when I use it then.

Miele has hot fill as well, its not connected though.

Thanks Ken.

Oliver.

[Higher-water-level]

Re: As promised, review of the ISEW1607W.

Right. I have been playing around with how much detergent is used. I have tried loads of different amounts and have managed to get it to stop sudslocking with 25ml. This seems stupid, is it really cleaning my clothes properly though, or will I see a build up of dirt after a period of months? Things seem clean after one wash but if it ruins my clothes through dirt build up I will not be best pleased to say the very least.

The results so far are promising though so I shall see how I go on.

Had any reply beck from Asko yet Ken? I do want it to do a dilution rinse on all programmes if at all possible.

Oliver.

[kwatt]

Re: As promised, review of the ISEW1607W.

Hi Oliver,

They’re doing some testing to see if they can recreate the results in Sweden this week coming but it may take a while before I have any conclusive answers.

One thing that one of the techies pointed out though was that the Asko machines are designed specifically to use a lot less detergent deliberately. The argument being that it’s the most expensive component of the wash (they’re correct) and that saving detergent saves an awful lot of cash.

Of course this isn’t a thing that detergent companies are exactly over the moon about. 😉

K.

[Higher-water-level]

Re: As promised, review of the ISEW1607W.

kwatt wrote:Hi Oliver,

They’re doing some testing to see if they can recreate the results in Sweden this week coming but it may take a while before I have any conclusive answers.

One thing that one of the techies pointed out though was that the Asko machines are designed specifically to use a lot less detergent deliberately. The argument being that it’s the most expensive component of the wash (they’re correct) and that saving detergent saves an awful lot of cash.

Of course this isn’t a thing that detergent companies are exactly over the moon about. 😉

K.

Hi Ken,

Thanks for this.

25ml does seem to wash fine (extremely well infact) so if all stays that way I am very happy, its something like 1/7 of the recommended dose.

Thank you so very much Ken.

Best regards,

Oliver.

[quickwash]

Re: As promised, review of the ISEW1607W.

:waving: Oliver and Ken,

I bought 12 big boxes of Ariel when they had a 1/3 off, wonder how long thats gonna last me, even with washing every day 😆

Good job i had the sense to open them and refill them to the top, (stupid size boxes for the amouth of powder :rolls:), 4 boxes easily go into 3 8)

Best wishes to all,

quickwash :plug:

[Higher-water-level]

Re: As promised, review of the ISEW1607W.

Hi Quickwash,

A very long time!

I think we will beable to use less in the Miele as well, Mum has tried it and it still washes to perfection!

Just imagine how much detergent she goes through at 20+ loads a week and a good few have a pre-wash as well!

Best Regards,

Oliver. 😀

[pearce_jj]

Just for interest on some of the points in this thread, on my washer (Bosch) the pre-wash is cold and the hot-fill is used for 40*C+ washes (topped up with cold after a little bit). As a household with young children, I find pre-wash very useful indeed!

Anyway that too washes well with much less detergent than specified BUT after 10 years there is quite a build-up of hard white scale/scum which perhaps is due to insufficient water softening? The build up is sufficient to prevent the coin catcher being removed sometimes and the bottom hose is quite ‘crunchy’ feeling when squeezed (after which a load of hard blobs get washed through).

[quickwash]

Re: As promised, review of the ISEW1607W.

Hi Oliver,

My water is harder than yours (your water is soft isnt it?), so i use 30ml, 55ml or even 75ml for real dirty stuff and dont have a prob with sudslocking 😀

From now on, as you are having good results with your dirtier than average workwear, i think i wont go over 55ml. I am using the Higher- Water-Level (:lol:) option now and have even better results on all temps. I think this option really gives the extra suds as i didnt notice so much ‘soap’ when not using it. Will save money so goodo 😀

Best wishes

quickwash :plug:

[Higher-water-level]

Re: As promised, review of the ISEW1607W.

quickwash wrote:Hi Oliver,

My water is harder than yours (your water is soft isnt it?), so i use 30ml, 55ml or even 75ml for real dirty stuff and dont have a prob with sudslocking 😀

From now on, as you are having good results with your dirtier than average workwear, i think i wont go over 55ml. I am using the Higher- Water-Level (:lol:) option now and have even better results on all temps. I think this option really gives the extra suds as i didnt notice so much ‘soap’ when not using it. Will save money so goodo 😀

Best wishes

quickwash :plug:

Hi Quickwash,

Aye, we have soft water up here.

It washes well with little, its suds badly though, it our water, this is why I want it to do a dilution rinse at the end of each wash like the Miele does.

I use 25ml on normal soil, 40ml for my work stuff and 60ml on bedding, skin creams are a pain to remove so need extra detergent to shift it.

Best Regards,

Oliver.

[Higher-water-level]

pearce_jj wrote:Just for interest on some of the points in this thread, on my washer (Bosch) the pre-wash is cold and the hot-fill is used for 40*C+ washes (topped up with cold after a little bit). As a household with young children, I find pre-wash very useful indeed!

Anyway that too washes well with much less detergent than specified BUT after 10 years there is quite a build-up of hard white scale/scum which perhaps is due to insufficient water softening? The build up is sufficient to prevent the coin catcher being removed sometimes and the bottom hose is quite ‘crunchy’ feeling when squeezed (after which a load of hard blobs get washed through).

Hi JJ,

We can get away with much less as our water is very soft up here, we don’t see alot of limescale really. My 17 year old Bosch did a warm pre-wash, its far better than cold as it gives things a biological wash first to remove and break up the soil first. I too think a pre-wash is essential!!

All the best,

Oliver.

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