As promised, review of the ISEW1607W.

[quickwash]

Re: As promised, review of the ISEW1607W.

Hi pearce-jj,

Do you do a maintenance wash once a month? There is an excellent product that i use which is available in the shop here, called Affresh. There is some good info about it and is recommended over any other such product, well worth the money me thinks. An essential product especially if you live in a hard water area like i do :rolls:.

HTH

Best wishes

quickwash :plug:

[Higher-water-level]

Re: As promised, review of the ISEW1607W.

Hi, 😀

I am intregued to know why this machine is so overly sensitive to detergent though. I have had many washers over many years, but in my life I have never ever come accross such a touchy machine in my life. Since I have had it I have had to watch over it, mess about with detergent doses and generally keep an eye on it. This thing is supposed to be automatic, not requiring so much molly-coddling. :rolls:

I like the saving in detergent, don’t get me wrong, but ISE could have made a proper point of it in the instruction manual. All it says and I quote
“Try less detergent, and increase only if you are not satisfied with the results”. When it says this you would think about half the recommended amount not a seventh. The reason this is hard to believe and I ignored it in the manual was we are always been told to use the correct amount recommended by the detergent manufactureres as there can be problems with the machine as pearce_jj has clearly shown. Trust me I know all the ins and outs of detergents, through my job. 😀

If I had known what I know now I probably wouldn’t have bought the machine, for the past month I have had a fair amount of trouble with oversoaping, something my Bosch never did. But now there is light at the end of the tunnel so I am very pleased about that, I can tell you!! 🙂

Although, a few people on here said my Mum should have bought one instead of her commercial Miele, well I had better tell you this, if she had bought one she wouldn’t have put up with the problems I am having and no doubt after a few washes would have been calling ISE to take it away and get her money back. I have come very close to doing this myself, because I like my Mum expect things to perform as they are told to and when you spend so much money you expect trouble free washing. Oversoaping can easily be sorted with how a machine is programmed, spin profiles and water levels etc. Its easy.

I am still not convinced this Asko is all its cracked up to be. But atleast it is behaving itself now. So we will see what comes back from Sweden and hope for the best.

At the minute I am sat on the fence whether or not I regret buying it over a Miele, but only time will truley tell. 😕

Best Regards to everyone,

Oliver.

[kwatt]

Re: As promised, review of the ISEW1607W.

I take the point Oliver, but… 😉

Almost all modern domestic autos are touchy on detergent these days, virtually without exception. Almost all I’ve come across must have less detergent used or you get overfoaming, sudslock and a host of other issues besides these.

The reason is really simple, everyone wants them to use less water and less energy so it therefore follows that the detergent dosing has to also alter.

Having done a LOT of work with P&G on this front a few years ago I can tell you that the detergent guys also have a constant battle to try to explain to people how to use just their brands in any given machine, the best they can do is offer generic instructions that are as “Noddy” as possible so that most everyone can understand them.

In the meantime both the detergent and appliance technologies march ever onwards as they move to being more efficient.

In the likes of your mother’s Miele then yes, it’s going to be a lot less fussy as it will be using considerably more water and energy as it’s a commercial machine, not a domestic. So, again, the comparison is oranges and apples.

You can solve the problems through the use of technology, like turbidity sensors but they aren’t the most reliable of things and push the price up, the latter being a problem because most people wouldn’t know what you were talking about or remotely see the need for it. Therefore, people won’t pay for it.

But on top of all that, from the detergent manufacturer’s point of view, most people can’t tell the difference between different soiling levels, constantly use the wrong programs, don’t carry out any maintenance….

You just can’t get it all across on the back of the packet which, when you talk to the guys that have to deal with these issues will tell you, is designed primarily to sell the product, not tell you how to use it. There’s really not a lot of information on most of them.

For us, we’ve not only got to contend with that but we also have to contend with every detergent known to man it appears, as well as all the various additives that people use which means that a person’s kitchen cupboard with the detergents, stain removers and goodness knows what else would often put a chemicals laboratory to shame!

Then we’ve got soiling level, which as I said most people simply don’t understand.

Then we’ve got water hardness.

Load size.

There’s just one or two variables to consider in it all and not all of it can be solved by the machine I’m afraid.

K.

[Higher-water-level]

Re: As promised, review of the ISEW1607W.

Hi Ken,

Can you check your PMs please.

Oliver.

[pearce_jj]

Just goes to show there is a lot more to these computer controlled washing machines than it first seems.

Quickwash – thanks for the pointer on the cleaner, I’ll give that a go.

Cheers

[Higher-water-level]

Re: As promised, review of the ISEW1607W.

Hi pearce_jj,

This is one of the many reasons my Mum bought a commercial machine, modern domestic machines are not as good as machines of old.

Affresh works very well, you won’t go wrong with it.

Best regards,

Oliver.

[pearce_jj]

Interesting. I just read kwatt’s post,

You can solve the problems through the use of technology, like turbidity sensors but they aren’t the most reliable of things and push the price up

The Bosch I referred to earlier is a hydrosensor model so perhaps that’s why it seems to cope with basically whatever detergent I do (or don’t) put in it. But only ever noticed exess foaming when it was washing bamboo nappies.

[Higher-water-level]

pearce_jj wrote:Interesting. I just read kwatt’s post,

You can solve the problems through the use of technology, like turbidity sensors but they aren’t the most reliable of things and push the price up

The Bosch I referred to earlier is a hydrosensor model so perhaps that’s why it seems to cope with basically whatever detergent I do (or don’t) put in it. But only ever noticed exess foaming when it was washing bamboo nappies.

My old Bosch was simple, if it sudslocked (which it never did) there was an extra rinse on the timer that it skipped past, this would be activated so it did 5 rinses instead of 4.

My Bosch was super, its a shame they discontinued drum spiders. Bad news is your machine has the same spider………. 😥

[pearce_jj]

Out of interest, why would the spider need to be replaced?

[quickwash]

Re: As promised, review of the ISEW1607W.

Because the old lady swallowed it! 😆

Sorry, couldnt resist 😀

Best wishes and hope the Affresh helps,

quickwash :plug:

[Higher-water-level]

pearce_jj wrote:Out of interest, why would the spider need to be replaced?

It was bought second hand, it was in a real mess low temps and liquids rotted it away.

Oliver.

[Higher-water-level]

Re: As promised, review of the ISEW1607W.

quickwash wrote:Because the old lady swallowed it! 😆

Sorry, couldnt resist 😀

Best wishes and hope the Affresh helps,

quickwash :plug:

I’ll get you in a minute………. 😆

[Higher-water-level]

Re: As promised, review of the ISEW1607W.

ALL CREDIT TO ISE AND ESPECIALLY KEN WATT. THIS ISSUE IS NOW RESOLVED.

The way ahead is with less detergent, there will be no impact on cleaning or the machine. Asko are still testing, but it looks cured for good. Our water is so soft we need about a seventh of the detergent on a normally soiled load.

So thank you so very much Ken. You have a lot to be proud off. ISE do have the super customer service that is advertised take it from me!!

Best Regards,

Oliver.

[quickwash]

Re: As promised, review of the ISEW1607W.

Told you 😀

There was an old lady who swallowed a fly……………

Come on Oliver….. :rolls: 😉

Dont know why i’m in such a happy mood with a badly infected gum where i had that damn tooth extracted, probably delirious 😆 :rolls:

Bestest of wishes to all

quickwash :plug:

[Higher-water-level]

Re: As promised, review of the ISEW1607W.

quickwash wrote:Told you 😀

There was an old lady who swallowed a fly……………

Come on Oliver….. :rolls: 😉

Dont know why i’m in such a happy mood with a badly infected gum where i had that damn tooth extracted, probably delirious 😆 :rolls:

Bestest of wishes to all

quickwash :plug:

Hi Quickie,

Yup, delerious does describe you pretty well!! 😆 😈

I have probably just signed my death warrant, but its all good fun. 😀

Best Regards,

Oliver.

WHO ALTERED THAT……………..Mr Banks perchance, you trying to get me in trouble!! 😆 You’ll have to do better than that to catch me out…………DELICIOUS indeed! 😆

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