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I just got around to watching the Clive thing today.
TBH, he deserves all he gets. What a total muppet.
But then it’s the thing every time I’ve seen those guys on the motorbike. Doesn’t matter whether it’s a sparky, ariel fitter, drive guy, gardener… whatever. I guess they had to get round to some appliance idiot at some point.
Notice that they only do people that they can setup in a home though. 😉
K.
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If he had to be registered to a trade body,like gassafe, then he could now be prosecuted as he would never pass the tests!
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DrDill wrote:If he had to be registered to a trade body,like gassafe, then he could now be prosecuted as he would never pass the tests!
At the risk of going slightly ‘off topic’ but I’m curious as to that statement DrDill. Gas Safe can “prosecute” registered traders? How do they do that?
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if a person goes in to some ones house and repairs their gas boiler and charges for it, then a week later the boiler poisons the occupants, that person who repaired it will be prosecuted for manslaughter.
It makes companies and individuals accountableAnd that has to be done by the HSE.
Which requires an intermediary body in charge of overseeing it all, formerly CORGI, no Gas Safe.
They involve large charges to maintain the infrastructure.
For the companies it means certification, training and therefore a lot of cost.
And, all of that will only apply IF negligence can be proven in a court of law.
K.
Drdill instead of droning on about some mythical legislation or official regulation why do you not explain us all just what you are doing to achieve tour goal?
Or is it a case of you want to shout about it but expect others to do the work on your behalf at no cost to yourself?
I would like for you to clarify so that we may all have a reasoned discussion on the matter. It just strikes me that the people talking about this sort o thing appear to have very limited knowledge or involvement in it.
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DrDill wrote:if a person goes in to some ones house and repairs their gas boiler and charges for it, then a week later the boiler poisons the occupants, that person who repaired it will be prosecuted for manslaughter.
Oh! I’m with you now DrDill. That’s what I figured, nowt to do with Gas Safe and trade bodies as they are as toothless as anyone in outlaw prevention. That example a criminal matter pure and simple. The thing is, you can rip off customers to the n’th degree as that’s a civil matter but you can’t kill them as that changes instantly into a criminal matter. And they have laws for that sort of thing. 8) 😉
Truth is that even if you are registered as a GSR member or PartP or whatever, and all the regs needed to ply your trade it doesn’t stop the odd rogue from within abusing the system. Cutting corners and ripping customers off. In fact, I’ll go even further in suggesting that for some that have stumped up £1,000’s to get registered and £1,000’s or retraining in order to keep their ticket to ride. Do just that and rip customers off ASAP in order they can re-coup their short-term losses.
It’s the way it is and always will be if you play your cards right. There are many such Clive Bramall’s about these days, most never ever get their collars felt as they stay well under the razor wire simply because they never belong to any trade body or association. But by sticking your neck out and being recognised in some way brings forth accountability of some sort. All very laudable for most I’m sure but there are always a few rotten apples in any barrel. The difficulty is finding that rotten one and the hardest part of all is proving, in the eyes of the law that is, that rotten apple caused the problem?
Whirl4 wrote:Drdill instead of droning on about some mythical legislation or official regulation why do you not explain us all just what you are doing to achieve tour goal?
Ouch!…Come on now, no need for this sort of talk surely. 🙁
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I have tried to drum up some support for the idea, spoke to Adrian Welke about it and others, ie Gordon Jones at RETRA, but it seems that whilst we still have people in the trade that rubbish every thing that might require some investment on thier part it will be shouted down by those that have the loudest voices.
I have been in the trade 29 years and like then and now its still got the cowboys in and i believe the only way to give this trade a professional standing is to have some form of recognition and standards. It will never get the support whilst there is people around who dont want it because they dont want to pay to be part of it.Re: bbc watchdog
Oh and let me be quite clear on this, its my opinion and i am not going to dismiss anyone elses opinion just because i disagree,….. unlike others on this forum.
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But you need to consider many things, not least of which are the implications to traders in general.
What you’d have to have is a ticket per operative type system and also one that allowed for different levels of skill, in our case skillsets. So, we’d have, in the very simplest of forms, laundry, cooking and cooling. If you want to drill it down more, it just gets more complicated.
In each area competence would have to be proven.
That means, at least, an independent assessment for each.
The infrastructure to do that does not exist, it would have to be created. So, set up costs (many thousands of pounds) and then it has to be operated (more many thousands of pounds).
Then it has to be administered (more money) and also enforced as well as policed (even more thousands of pounds).
So, my one simple question is, who is going to set up all this infrastructure and stump up all the cash which will, I can assure you, run into many hundreds of thousands of pounds?
But, before you even go there, you need the legislation in place to set all that up. Good luck with getting any new legislation passed in the current financial climate and with a Tory government.
Minimum lead time, 10 years.
But if you think it’s a worthwhile pursuit, knock yourself out.
K.
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that is again just your opinion Ken and you are entitled to it, but as always you have rubbished it and on this occasion knocked the Tory goverment, why? I dont get you some times, for a clever man you say some daft things sometimes.
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Yup, it is my opinion and with good reasons.
I’m not rubbishing the idea at all, what I am doing is pointing out how it is next to being mission impossible and therefore not worth the time and effort to achieve.
For a start though you’d have to prove a need. There isn’t one so far as government is concerned. Without support from government you will not get legislation, period, end of story.
And, the reason for mentioning the Tory government is that if you know anything about politics you would be aware that the Tories are notoriously reticent to introduce legislation. They will go down the road of industry self-regulation or market regulation long, long before pukka statute would be considered and probably only after the former failed.
Reason: self-regulation does not cost government money and does not really involve much involvement from departments.
Statute regulation involves costs.
If you think you can persuade a government banging on constantly about austerity and making cuts to spend money on something that, to them, isn’t a problem… good luck.
The only people it’s a problem to is the businesses within the industry who have a commercial desire (not need) for such a system. Therefore government will simply say, “why should we pay for your commercial problem?”
K.
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