Combination microwave ovens >>>>>>>>

[grannyfixit]

My 15yr old Sharp one went phut last week

I desperately need to replace it but need one that the fan etc is in Stainless Steel ……….NOT ALUMINIUM as I am allergic to it

Can someone help me please

I have tried phoning manufacturers but can get no help from their call centre staff etc

[Phidom]

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I would not expect any significant differences in construction between your old appliance and currently manufactured microwave ovens. Both probably have plastic fan blades but may have aluminium in the fan motor framework and its rotor core matrix. The rest of the appliance will be plastic, stainless steel, painted mild steel etc with very little aluminium.

[kwatt]

There is already a thread running on this subject, can you please keep it to one thread per subject of things get very confused.

Thank you.

It is also unlikely that anyone bar the manufacturer will be able to tell you what materials are used in construction as we don’t strip them down to find out unless there is a requirement to do so. Even then, we don’t really pay much attention unless it looks rubbish or is a problem.

K.

[grannyfixit]

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Its the fact the manufacturers call centres wont or cant tell me thats the difficulty

I cant afford to buy several until i find one that does not have an aluminium fan blade

I cant afford to make myself ill either ……….its that serious a problem

I have tried looking inside them darn carefully

[Penguin45]

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I don’t see where you’re going with this. All cooling fans these days are plastic, due to the endemic cost saving measures prevalent in this industry. The motors themselves may well be alloy framed, but the bearings would have to have collapsed totally before the steel shaft would touch the alloy. The motors simply don’t have the power to keep running if the bearings start to fail. The actual housings are coated steel (cheap) or stainless (posh).

Chucking out the aluminium pots is fair enough, but otherwise I suspect you are worrying about nothing.

Penguin45.

[grannyfixit]

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I am talking about the visible Fan Blade behind the grill in a combination oven ,,,,,,,,,,,,,they are clearly metal not Plastic …….I can see that much

Just chucking out Aluminium pans is sadly not the whole answer by any means …….. I only wish it was

What you do not understand is …….Heat any form of Aluminium and it has an effect akin to a kind of radiation on the food which in turn seriously affects anyone who is allergic to the metal ……….its not just all in the mind ……its a darn serious problem as are its effects

I have an AEG double oven thats enamel inside as far as the eye can see but behind that is an Aluminium fan blade and tunnels and the whole oven is encased in foil …………Sadly I simply cant use the darn thing

[helo_75]

Granny

unfortunately, kwatt has a point.. here at ukwhitegoods we are engineers, not manufacturers.. we repair whats broken!
yes, we may go the extra mile to find out reasons for and why, but only to prove or disprove.. and that can only be at service level, not at manufacture level

penguin too has a point, a lof of the fans are plastic now, the metal fan you can see may well only be a cooling fan, nothing more

it really is a manufacturing issue.. have you tried emailing the technical service departments of the manufacturers in question? call centers arent always as helpful as the technical side of things…

and of course, with a lot of the manufacturers building appliances outside the uk, most uk based call centers/tech services would be blissfully unaware of what the components are made of

on the other hand the weee directive does stipulate that manufacturers should be more responsible for the disposable side of the appliances, and that includes providing information, as to which part should be recyclable.. that information should be available

im sure an email to the manufacturer will provide the necessary information

we arent deliberatley being objective – we simply dont know

im sure your not unique, in todays world there are lots of people with different ailments, and the unfortunate part is that we’re all at the mercy of the manufacturers, and their usual ‘keep costs down at all costs’ mentality

good luck.. hope you find what your looking for, and it would be nice if you could come back and let us know if youve been successful, its always handy to know these things for future reference

[kwatt]

Lighter material = less shipping cost.

Steel = very expensive these days and people won’t pay for it.

Plastics = Cheap, light but break easily in an environment full of heat and steam.

Not really hard to work out what’s going to happen is it?

Just look at ISE10, if everyone wanted quality products they’d all be buying one, people don’t unless they actually stop and think about it beyond the ticket price. Sadly the bulk of people, that many manufacturers cater for, buy solely on price and price alone and, as they say, every little helps when it comes to cutting costs. Quality takes a back seat in such instances and market forces drive it all. Which is a very kind way of saying, people wont stump up for decent kit.

People are duped into thinking that cheaper is better. Sadly not true, but the belief of many.

K.

[grannyfixit]

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Russel Hobbs say theirs are made under licence and they refuse point blank to find out what the fans are made of

Panasonic did enquire of their manufactuer and theirs are Aluminium

Sharp wont contact their manufacturer to find out

My original Combination oven DID NOT HAVE a fan in it hence why i now have such difficulty

I cant get contact numbers for other manufactuers

Wonderful isnt it ……..they all advertise full Stainless Steel interiors and then put in a poxy Aluminium fan

[don]

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grannyfixit wrote:
I cant get contact numbers for other manufactuers

I can probably help, which ones are you after ?

grannyfixit wrote:

Wonderful isnt it ……..they all advertise full Stainless Steel interiors and then put in a poxy Aluminium fan

To 99{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} of the population if it looks good and has a stainless steel interior that`s fine. What goes on inside is of no consequence to consumers as long as it works :rolls:

Don

[grannyfixit]

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Any company that makes Combination microwave ovens

I am absolutely desperate to find one as other than a hob I have no other means of cooking

Cant use my £700 AEG built in oven

I am not alone in being severely allergic to Aluminium the difference is I know what makes me ill whereas majority of population live in blissful ignorance and are damaging their health day by day

[kwatt]

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I’m a bit confused here on something.

How can you have a combi microwave without a fan in it? The oven has to expel air and, if it’s is heating it has to be distributed within the heating cavity unless it wasn’t a true combi oven and was a grill only one. In any event there would likely have been a fan of some sort I would have thought and it would most likely be aluminium or an aluminium alloy that would be used for that, stainless is not usually used for fans as it’s too heavy.

If it didn’t have a turntable (and possibly even if it did) there would be a stirrer fan which is usually either plastic or aluminum or a waveguide cover, again coated in an alloy. Even disallowing that there are fan motors and all sorts of other bits that use aluminium alloys or aluminium in their construction.

In short, I don’t think you will find one that doesn’t use aluminium in their construction.

I also don’t understand how that, if this is such a huge problem, that it is not more widely known about and that manufacturers or governments would not take such reactions into consideration.

K.

[don]

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grannyfixit wrote:Any company that makes Combination microwave ovens

AEG built in only, this could replace your built in oven.
phone 08705 350350

Bosch again built in only telephone 0844 8928925

Neff as Bosch 08702 400080

Whirlpool as above 0844 815 8989

Zanussi same again 08705 727727

HTH

Don

[grannyfixit]

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I want a freestanding Combi microwave oven…………NOT a built in one

If my old combination microwave ( it was a proper Sharp Combination Microwave oven …….It could bake or grill or microwave ) had a fan it was certainly not visible
There was no grill or perforated section visible in the cavity as there is in all the new ones

As to why the manufactuirers do not address the problem is simple ……..because the scientists refuse to get to grips with the problem
If you get really ill the medics will blame ME /CFS/Cancer /Alzheimers?arthritis etc

They never ever look for the true cause of ill health

If the general public cared more about “you are what you eat ” and stopped to seek the cause of ill health then the backlash would come and manufacturers would be facing law suits off the wall

[don]

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grannyfixit wrote:I want a freestanding Combi microwave oven…………NOT a built in one

As you said you could not use your AEG oven, I thought that by replacing it with a built in combination microwave may have been a solution for you.

In that case then I don`t know of any other manufacturer or retailer that will be in a position to help you.

Don

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