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Re: DASA
kheath wrote:.
Can anyone name me a candidate for chairman if Mark steps down? There has to be more planning for the future for sure…not legislation but simply grooming members to take over when others decide to call it a day in office.I think Mr Blair may be available later on 😀
Richard S
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Speaking as an ex council member and current member of DASA, I would like to contribute my thoughts to this current debate.
I joined DASA after being introduced to the organisation by Kevin, shortly after I became a council member.
Like Kevin, I am passionate about our trade and I really felt that “Network DASA” was going to be the way forward and would make DASA an organisation that everyone would want to join.
However, behind the scenes all was not well, the backbone of DASA was extremely weak and the lack of communication was frustrating to say the least. Any useful dialect always took place on the night before the meeting over a pint and a meal, unfortunately the topics were never carried forward to the meetings and very little of any interest was discussed.
It was thanks to people like Kevin who stood up and asked for members votes on emotive topics and it was always he who contacted members to update us with progress on current projects. This was always appreciated, as I was paying several hundred pounds a year to be a member and I could see things happening that would eventually benefit DASA and ALL of its members, I was proud to be a member.
To survive, DASA now needs a dedicated and dynamic leader who will be on the payroll and available full time. This person would be responsible for the effective communication to all members and would be responsible for negotiating for trade work for members. Meetings could be regionalised to attract new faces and the AGM should be an event that every member would want to attend.
I look forward to reading the minutes of the AGM and my membership to DASA hangs in the balance. 🙁
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Appboy will you be attending the AGM on Saturday? 😮
If yes then great 😆
If no then why? 😕 And this could be the reason why members in past years and the present time may not attend.You correctly point out what Kevin has done, but this in different guises has been done many times well before Kevin appeared on the scene, and just a few Council members take up the challenge. Me, I phoned Kevin up the following day after one meeting earlier in the year, and I offered my services as volunteers were ask for, and I was told all the ten places were taken up, so there is something going on, or was going on, I just never had the opportunity despite attending the meetings.
By the way, Del hit the nail head on with his version of an asscociation, well done that man. People should read that post and digest what you have written and not pass it over, Del I am proud of you.
OT
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It is sad to see two long standing DASA members at the point of throwing in the towel, but I can understand where they are coming from here.
When I got NW rejected after LGS went to the wall I was told that our membership could not be continued, it was taken to council and even although NW had been a trading name for a division of LGS that was a fully paid up DASA member, the membership had to be terminated. So we traded for nigh on four years before I was asked to rejoin DASA a couple of years ago. So in effect I’d done the probation without actually doing the probation. However, that’s not the important part, the important part is that for those years that we were outside of DASA I noticed absolutely no difference whatsoever. I was also more than a little miffed at the whole affair and how it all happened, but that’s a story for another day perhaps.
What we should really be paying attention to is the fact that people are leaving DASA or simply letting it go, as have been highlighted by Appboy and Alex in this thread thus far. Obviously they regard it as not being important to their businesses, or maybe its that they can see no return on the investment year on year. Like any person in business I too look for the return, if someone asks me to spend on advertising I can see a result, if I buy new IT, vans or whatever, I see the benefit in it people (I think) merely want DASA quantified the same way. Show the benefit.
If there is no benefit, then frankly, there is no point in it and people that are in business will not invest the time and finances into the endeavour.
There is, to me, little point in the old rhetoric of what DASA may do at some point as that is what we’ve heard from DASA for years and the status quo remains. Any radical new directions seem to get killed at birth, if they’re not still born, just look at Network DASA. What it may do is irrelevant, we have to show people what DASA DOES!
If that is merely to set and maintain standards, attach a value to it and see if people will pay it. But I doubt that will go very far as it just won’t fly in this day and age, it has to do better than that.
Training and that whole notion is IMHO a total waste of time right now, that’s putting the cart before the horse as far as I am concerned and trying to institute courses with the educational establishments is just plain crazy on so many levels. We’ve all seen and witnessed this trade, you can’t learn 90{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} of it in a classroom, it’s a “hands on” job I’m afraid. Commercial reality also creeps in here, hands up those that can afford to pay for this training! Even with that aside, who’s going to recognise these awards or reward them? The only thing that gets you a higher salary in this game is a CORGI ticket.
Does a DASA member get paid any more for being better, no!
Do you get more leads for work, maybe, the jury’s out on that one.
Please don’t take this post the wrong way, I’m not trying to kill DASA at all but all involved have to sit down and seriously think about it long and hard. Just what benefits is DASA going to bring to the table, can it compete with the likes of the FSB and RETRA?
All things are possible, including a rebirth of DASA but as far as I can see it’s suffered from years of neglect and apathy from both inside and out running around in all sorts of directions trying to find its way or niche with very limited success. It needs goals and direction to achieve them and, it needs them quickly.
K.
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hi Oldtog,
The trail run was with SCS insurances and I did them a 10 member trail set up …providing them with postcodes and skillsets and speed of service of 10 Dasa members spread throughout the uk.
Jason and mark were provided with copies of this and I’m afraid I lost my membership so I don’t know the outcome of this.
This did come about because 3 of us went and brokered a deal on behalf of Network-dasa for all dasa agents who joined ND to benefit. There was also on the back of this the opportunitiy to sell insurance to your customers and the repair rates on offer were £40.00 and £42.00 per call. If nothing came of this its a shame, we put time and effort into it and missed chances don’t return.
Sorry you were not part of the trail but getting 10 agents to do the trail was easy, and you were too late. No secrets and nothing hidden, I was also approached by a large manufacturer who was extemely interested in Network-Dasa. But because of the reception to ND from some council members I showed them a decent work provider to approach. This work is now done by many of us as this work provider also requested Network-dasa listings from me. However what might have been is history and I’m happy that some Dasa members benefitted, alittle bit more toward the cost of being in Dasa.
I’m not sure that the idea of networking to the extent we did it has been done before within Dasa oldtog, however its not likely to be done again.
kevin
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Hi again everyone:
This debate seems to have brought out the best and worst sides of opinions regarding the DASA. There seems to be quite a rift in ideas as how things should proceed and what should be done with it, after all this time maybe it is time to think of scraping it and letting the phoenix rise from the ashes with a cohesive objective and code of practise that all member agree to be bound by. (The UKW code isn’t bad as a code for members that could be used as a basis for agreement).
I agree with what was said about needing a fulltime representative but it will take more that, you would need someone to do the office work and someone to deputise at other times.
This all costs money! But I believe (Wrongly perhaps) that there are government/EEC grants available for new ventures and training. What about setting up an apprentice scheme I know there is money available for thatMaybe this idea of having a “council” is not such a good idea either, have you ever known a council or committee that could agree on anything wholeheartedly? Perhaps you could elect “executive board members” i.e. one representing each area and that would be responsible for communicating information to and from members in there own areas, holding local meeting on perhaps a monthly basis with members of the board being elected locally on an annual basis.
The man to run it should be political, knowledgeable and well spoken, not afraid of public speaking with a desire to succeed in promoting the idea of a unified trade association to the members, the manufacturers and the general public all these go hand in hand with each other the setting up of a co-operative buying sector could be another aim of the association, a hundred spiders or modules come cheaper that 10 or 20 which could be available only to members. An arbitration service to deal with complaint from the public against members with the panel inviting a representative from say the OFT or/and the citizens advice. Go public advertise your membership, get the public to recognise you and trust you and the others should fall into line.
It could go on forever with ideas but without objectives agreed upon and stuck to and members agreeing a binding code of practice you will still be in the same position in 20 years from now.
Realistically, for all the talk and some bloody good ideas (that network thingy) no one I have spoke to so far seems to have the time for such a commitment as is required for this task, you all have jobs to do family’s to take care of and a living to make some of you have employees to look after and businesses that need your full time attention. That above all else requires the employment of staff to run the association on behalf of the board.
I apologise now to any I may have upset with my comments.
Richard S
A stranger is just a friend we haven’t met yet
Some of those ideas have already been put into play or discussed here Richard with a view to using them for e-Jobs etc. 😉
K.
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Well I guess rock bottom has been reached.
According to the AGM agenda the constitution is to be voted on for change. That change will allow associate members onto council. That means workproviders and manufacturers could actually vote on members affairs, even though some of them have restrictive contracts and are unwilling to support their networks with correct payments. It would also detract from the ideals of Dasa. They also could do it on the cheap as their subs are far lower than a full member.
How long before Dasa is run by non repairers?
Another poor idea from council and not thought through very well. If this gets voted through it may well be the last nail in the coffin.
Kevin.
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Well wouldn’t that just be such fun!
I knew that associate members paid a lot less, or at least I recently found that out and it still baffles me why, say Electrolux a huge corporation, pays less then I do to be associated to DASA. It is however worth pointing out that that is a legacy left to the current council from days of old.
The DASA Constitution needs changing for sure, but that’s not a change that I was thinking on. It would certainly make a mockery of anything that the council recommended to members in the way of contracts and the likes as that body could no longer claim to be impartial, nor could it claim to represent the independent repairers if the council is staffed by representatives from manufacturers and the likes. I do not disagree that more interaction is required with the manufacturers and WP’setc. but I would not have seen this as a way to accomplish that goal.
The outcome of that debate should be telling indeed.
K.
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Any trade organisation needs two things to make it successful,
1. A person at the head with a good understanding of the industry and with some drive and energy to keep up with all the requirements and needs expected by the members in the association.
2. A membership that is prepared to support the association and it’s aims and to ensure it remains fully funded.
It seems to me that DASA had lost it’s way on both counts, and maybe that was nobody’s fault. Things in these types of associations can go a bit stale, but it’s important to find the right balance so that the person leading is fully motivated, and that the membership gets pay back from being part of the association.
There is need of innovation from a good trade association; bearing in mind that the unique individual “one brand only” service company/manufacturer has almost gone. It’s all multi-brand now so consumer identity and choice is all different now.
Also in the past few years there’s been a complete change of mind set by some of the insurers on how to get their work carried out. Even they’re not looking for branded service to make their repairs and they’ve been quite happy to pass over their service liabilities to a number of “managing agents”.
I maybe wrong but I feel that these recent years would have been a “real opportunity” for DASA to be leading from the front on behalf it’s members and in fact possibly expanding it’s aims to establish itself as a major player in the “managing agents” market. Whilst it means making a considerable investment to make it work. The long-term benefits are there to be had; and at least any profit stays within the association and the industry, so it can promote itself to the wider consumer base for the long-term benefit/dividend of the members.
If I have any advice to offer the council of DASA it should establish what the members want before you appointing a new leader, as any new head of DASA needs to know what the aims for the future are.
The statement you have just read is an extract from an e-mail I received from one of the founder members who was in on the conception of DASA in the 70’s. He told me he was quite saddened by the way the association has been left with no purpose.
I see there has been some movement regards appointing Steve Roachford to lobby members and look for input. Regretfully that will not even scratch the surface. A telephone call to a busy office like mine with questions and asking input may seem like a good idea, but in reality it doesn’t work. In my case I was caught on the hop and at a busy time, the result was I was left thinking on my feet and despite being quick minded there may have been one or two points I didn’t come up with on the spur of the moment.
What DASA needs to do is appoint 3 or 4 people to cover various areas. These need to personally visit members and prospective members on a regular basis, to see what there is out there. They need to go on a recruitment drive, give DASA a higher profile and make it known across the whole industry. Pulling in more members will add to the income and will bring in badly needed new blood. The next thing is to bring the fees down to a realistic level. We’ve all seen where the likes of Hotpoint etc. priced themselves out of the market place with their charges; hence so many ex Hotpoint engineers making a living from the chargeable work. I know it costs to employ such staff and there will be the short term loss of revenue but that will come back once the profile has been raised and there are more members.
It is in the hands of DASA to pull themselves up by the socks. It is all very well for them to ask us to do more, but to date most of us lack the enthusiasm due to the inertia demonstrated to date. DASA cannot expect us to do any more until they have become pro-active themselves and demonstrated there is a way forward.
It is a sad sate of affairs indeed. Chris Hayter was removed and I thought the blockage had been cleared, now they are running around like headless chickens. One reason being that because C.H. was running the whole operation, there was almost nothing put in place to cover his departure.
I look forward to the meeting at York and will be interested to see what the new constitution will be. I’m sure that I speak for many others that I need some serious convincing to keep my membership, and I’m travelling right up the country to get this input. What about all those dispassionate members who will not bother? they will simply walk away from DASA. What doesn’t appear to get through is that DASA is in deep crisis, and it all their own doing. They only have themselves to blame, the cancer has set in deep and the cure is evading them daily. They are haemorrhaging members and as a result losing their image, credibility, revenue stream and above all respect in this industry.
Alex Reed.
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There is no arguement from any quarter that DASA needs a full time Leader with excellect comunication skills and the ability to help build a trade associsation network that would include the independant sevice providers, manufacturers, insurance companies, trade suppliers, and work providers.
An all inclusive association that provides a better link and understanding between all of the different sectors of our industry
As this is the only way we can really make an association work, we all try to make our living from the trade and it takes all of the above to make the trade work.
If there were better communication between all of the above, It would come as no surprise to anyone that we have more in common than that which divides us. It is only when one of the above tries to monopolise and play one off against another section or firm, that we all be come loser’s.
Europe and politicians have been throwing laws and dictates at us left right and center over recent years. Remember the fridge mountain and now the directive on electrical and electronic waste. These issues impact on the whole trade.
We now see the internet starting to taking off, robbing a lot of the retailers of their traditional trade. I’m not against fair competition, but when you have some firms that consist of a couple of geek’s hiding away in an attic who never get to even see the product they are selling or care even less when the end customer has a problem, simply because they are playing a numbers game. do you regard this as fair competition, I dont.
Some of our Insurance companies need to be told that charity begins at home. They like to be seen to be sponsoring the Art’s and Sport with mega donations, How about helping to sponsor trianing in a trade that provides you with the bulk of your earnings. In all fairness one has recentley offered me in a go in a go-kart but I would much rather they offer me some help towards training the next generation of engineers if we are both to stay in business.
The skill’s shortage is already here. Kevin’s crystal ball is well tuned in, so are we now going to perpetuate the vicious circle, as we are starting to get the upper hand. Because we have been sqeezed so tight on price that we have lost a great deal of our numbers. We have recently seen manufacturers who cant get help or engineers for love nor money.
It’s not just DASA that needs to get it’s act together it’s all of them including, RETRA,AMDEA,CORGI, and whatever association that governs insurance companies.
Cheap machines and rediculously priced spares have been the cause of a lot of our problems. but as we start to find out that we are running out of landfill space and once the cost of recycling is built in then these lumps of scrap wont be so cheap. Is’nt it time we got back to building machines that we could all take some pride in. pride in building , pride in selling and pride in servicing.
Is it not time for a little sanity in this trade, a little respect for one another, is there need for us all to communicate, your dam right there is.
None of us on our own, can effect any change but by working together through an organisation of mutual support we might be able to make a start.
Ken ask’s “What does DASA stand for ? What are it’s aim’s ? Where is it going?
I have tried to explain some of the things that I stand for and I know that there are people on the DASA council who stand for the same.
DASA aim’s :-
The Association aims to promote good service, efficiency and courtesy to all members of the public. The members of DASA have a Code of Practice that is designed to protect the customer from bad trade practices. The DASA Code of Practice is registered with the Office of Fair Trading. DASA has Criteria for Service Quality, Guarantees, the Environment, Insurances, Competence and Safety Testing.
Where is DASA going ? Well, to be perfectly honest, without the support of like minded people within this industry…… NOWHERE!
JMHO Del
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Reading this lot tells me the biggest asset DASA has to offer is the passionate members. These are being eroded away and with the thoughts that has been shown in this debate, there is life in the association.
I sincerely hope this debate takes place at the AGM where it should be tabled and moved forward.
We live in hope.
Alex
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Del wrote:If there were better communication between all of the above, It would come as no surprise to anyone that we have more in common than that which divides us. It is only when one of the above tries to monopolise and play one off against another section or firm, that we all be come loser’s.
Agreed. Communication is not a strong point of DASA though and it desperately needs improving.
Del wrote:Europe and politicians have been throwing laws and dictates at us left right and center over recent years. Remember the fridge mountain and now the directive on electrical and electronic waste. These issues impact on the whole trade.
And where has DASA been in all this? What communication of any of these issues that affect our trade has been forthcoming from DASA?
The thing is Del that when Orbit was scrapped any communication that DASA once had with the membership was simply gone. Therefore, IMO, DASA lost it’s only method of communication with the membership at that point and the means to relay any pertinent information. To my knowledge it was viewed as being too expensive to produce, now look at the cost of not producing the publication.
Del wrote:We now see the internet starting to taking off, robbing a lot of the retailers of their traditional trade. I’m not against fair competition, but when you have some firms that consist of a couple of geek’s hiding away in an attic who never get to even see the product they are selling or care even less when the end customer has a problem, simply because they are playing a numbers game. do you regard this as fair competition, I dont.
Manufacturers and distributors are tackling this issue currently on their own with a few things in place in an attempt to halt this current phenomena.
Del wrote:Some of our Insurance companies need to be told that charity begins at home. They like to be seen to be sponsoring the Art’s and Sport with mega donations, How about helping to sponsor trianing in a trade that provides you with the bulk of your earnings. In all fairness one has recentley offered me in a go in a go-kart but I would much rather they offer me some help towards training the next generation of engineers if we are both to stay in business.
There is another side to that in that it couls be seen as giving something back to the principals for their efforts and it is rare that any such events are not clouded in talk of business. I regard them as a meeting that has a bit more interest attached, I do however take the point.
Del wrote:The skill’s shortage is already here. Kevin’s crystal ball is well tuned in, so are we now going to perpetuate the vicious circle, as we are starting to get the upper hand. Because we have been sqeezed so tight on price that we have lost a great deal of our numbers. We have recently seen manufacturers who cant get help or engineers for love nor money.
Ah, the nitty gritty. 🙂
Here’s the deal in my view. Over the past decade or so the trade has been erroded away and the trend continues, it continues because what we have been paid has been erroded over that time against a tide of rising costs and the lowering of value in the appliances that we repair. Customers no longer see, for example, a washer as having a ten year lifespan and they will scrap it at two years if the economics dictate that they should do so. In addition to that the premiums paid to us by many an insurer now, which was once regarded as “premium rate” work has been desperately erroded to the point where some insurers now pay less for a call than some manufacturers under warranty and with no mark up on spares that once were re-sold at retail pricing to them. This is a ludicrous situation to be in and in light of that it’s no wonder we’re not training anyone as, quite simply, we cannot afford to do so!
Whilst the above is very clever and no doubt saves the insurance industry a fair bit of money it has exasberhated an already tenous situation with regards to training. And, with the lack of chargeable work out there and, what is there holds little value, there is no fat left to trim in the service industry.
In addition to that we are only now starting to see some manufacturers and, most certainly not all, get realistic about the renumeration to agents especially in light of the above. It used to be a that a certain amount of chargeable work was almost guaranteed through holding an agency for any manufacturer, that is no longer the case and any figures I’ve seen, projection wise, for in particular the larger manufacturers on chargeable call levels are frankly laughable and totally unrealistic.
In light of all that you have an organisation with DASA that seeks to promote training, to who exactly? Who can afford to carry a trainee these days? DASA has not changed its ethos in years and is still tackling problems that existed 15 years or more ago, many of which are irrelevant in today’s market under the current conditions IMO.
Del wrote:It’s not just DASA that needs to get it’s act together it’s all of them including, RETRA,AMDEA,CORGI, and whatever association that governs insurance companies.
Yes and just what do those organisations care of service?
Answer, they don’t unless it becomes a problem.
So, there is but one course of action really, make it their problem and shout long and hard about it. DASA has not ever, to my knowledge done so. Again, to my knowledge, the plight of the service industry has never been represented to ANY of these organisations and in fact just recently I was told that AMDEA was oblivious to the industry standard of a three month termination in most of our contracts. Obviously DASA has not done its job there until very recently.
Del wrote:Cheap machines and rediculously priced spares have been the cause of a lot of our problems. but as we start to find out that we are running out of landfill space and once the cost of recycling is built in then these lumps of scrap wont be so cheap. Is’nt it time we got back to building machines that we could all take some pride in. pride in building , pride in selling and pride in servicing.
Yes this is going to become a huge issue in the very near future and the first I heard about the WEEE Directive was on UKW, I’m sure many others are in the same boat, but DASA should have been telling us about that a lot sooner.
Del wrote:Is it not time for a little sanity in this trade, a little respect for one another, is there need for us all to communicate, your dam right there is.
Yep!
Del wrote:None of us on our own, can effect any change but by working together through an organisation of mutual support we might be able to make a start.
Indeed, I do not disagree with that at all.
Del wrote:Ken ask’s “What does DASA stand for ? What are it’s aim’s ? Where is it going?
I have tried to explain some of the things that I stand for and I know that there are people on the DASA council who stand for the same.
And I have pointed out that whilst that may well be the aims and the members that take part passionate about the issues, very little if anything, has been done to address them. I’m not laying the blame at anyone’s door really so don’t get me wrong, but that old “apathy” crept in and often a lot of the ideas from DASA lose momentum due to that.
Del wrote:DASA aim’s :-
The Association aims to promote good service, efficiency and courtesy to all members of the public. The members of DASA have a Code of Practice that is designed to protect the customer from bad trade practices. The DASA Code of Practice is registered with the Office of Fair Trading. DASA has Criteria for Service Quality, Guarantees, the Environment, Insurances, Competence and Safety Testing.
Which was clearly marked “Sell-By 01/01/1986” 😉
The industry has changed massively in the past decade or so, DASA has not and it needs to change to remain relevant.
Del wrote:Where is DASA going ? Well, to be perfectly honest, without the support of like minded people within this industry…… NOWHERE!
Indeed, this is very true and without support DASA will wither and die but again, it all comes back to the questions I asked previously which, despite protracted debate, still have not been answered.
K.
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Alex wrote:Reading this lot tells me the biggest asset DASA has to offer is the passionate members.
Yes, there are passionate members, but not enough of them to allow DASA to continue in its current format IMO.
The enthusiasm sadly is not shared by most of the current members, and far more importantly, the non or ex members. These brings me to the point of who saw fit to engage the services of someone at £300 a day to contact the current DASA membership and see what they want and ask for their views on DASA. Surely, as is quite evident reading this thread, DASA is now down to the “core” and the views of those members are pretty much known already. The time and money would have been much better employed in contacting ex members or making contact with non members to ask their views on what they would like from a trade association.
It seems quite obvious (to me anyway) that DASA cannot continue in it’s current format and will need sweeping changes made to the way it is set up to survive. Maybe as has been suggested, more regionalism, a less formal meeting structure and a far swifter decision making regime needs to be put in place.
As far as appointing non-independent bodies to act as council members, well, I personally see this as a huge mistake if it allowed to go through. It will of course, and rightly so be put to a vote, but if this is allowed to proceed then that will be the end of DASA as a representative body of the independent white goods repair industry and will cease to be impartial.
A couple of points on the comparisons between UKW and DASA I would also like to make. UKW will never in my view become a trade association; it can’t purely because of its very nature. Some within the current DASA structure will also see UKW as a threat, this is not the case as far as I can see, all UKW has done is installed a level of communication never before seen in this industry, or any other service industry for that matter, it’s something that should have been done years ago, good job someone like Ken had the foresight to put it in to action.
Orbit has already been mentioned here but as I was involved in it’s production, here goes. I was asked at a council meeting earlier this year if I would compile Orbit, which would have been the first time it had been produced for many years, a bit of a daunting task, but I agreed. After a few emails flying about and many phone calls I finally spent the whole of Good Friday of this year finishing it off with the help of Ken who made it look “nice” as I’m crap at that sort of thing, but the basics were there and between us I think we did a pretty good job given the limited time we had and the limited input we were given to use. Since then, the whole thing turned in to a farce, it’s first “proper” release was at the UKW meeting last month. Now, I know Sean made huge efforts to get it published, printed and distributed by Connect who kindly offered to help with this; it was delayed beyond all comprehension by petty bickering over its content and the use of the new logo, the use of which was agreed on at a special meeting in Rotherham by those present. I’ll leave it for you to decide whether you would be pretty p*ssed off with what amounts to “red tape” within DASA holding up such things.
So, where does this leave us. We have council members that have little spare time to devote to the DASA cause stepping down; we have a dwindling membership and a structure that does not allow an easy process for change.
I know all this seems a bit of a kicking while it’s down type thing, but the only way to go forward is open and frank discussion, I also think Kevin is quite correct with his timing just before the AGM, all of the subjects/comments/criticisms above will all be fresh in the minds of those attending and will (hopefully) promote debate and maybe, just maybe something will actually happen or at least be seen to happen to change the way DASA is looked upon by the trade in general promoting new blood and interest.
Unfortunately I cannot attend as I have a family wedding to attend on the same day, but I await with interest (and my membership renewal) the outcome.
Dave.
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This thread has been well read by members of Dasa and the council and I’m suprised to see that the council members are not posting replies.
Del, appboy and oldtog are the only ones bothering. Wonder why?
I guess they now realize that introducing non repairers onto the council is not possible at the Agm as the constitution does not allow change without due process. It seems that many council members were not asked about the introduction of non repairers onto the council and its news to them. So who is responsible for such an item in the agenda, when it quite clearly is not from the council and has not been minuted in previous meetings.This is why Dasa is failing. Too few making decisions the majority know nothing about.
Shame the constitution is not on the agenda. They could debate on how to set up a working party that for the next six months rewrites the constitution, and plan an egm to allow members to vote on the changes ect…
Of course who would undertake such a task? The new leader I hear you all shout!
sorry, he’s not on the agenda….so 8 months after getting rid of CH Dasa has forgotten to include this as a topic for its Agm. Instead delegates can snooze away at the back whilst several guest speakers smile nicely and wonder why the hell they accepted the invitation.Kevin
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