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Re: DASA
I assume from that Ken, some unqualified statement has been made and let me guess, from somebody who had never even looked at the site.
Just watch out for body language at the AGM and maybe we can pinpoint who we are thinking of. Last year one member of DASA got up & walked out at the AGM as soon as the topic of UKW was brought up.
Alex
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To be perfectly honest Alex, I don’t care.
I will not be drawn into such a petty situation of a slagging match and I have nothing to hide or defend when it comes to UKW. The input from the members is fantastic, as I have said many times before, the level and intelligence of the posts is superb here, the advice given to the public is without doubt (IMO) beyond reproach and serves as a fantastic impression for us as an industry with the general public. By way of that we also serve as a shining example of communication in action for the manufacturers etc that we work on behalf of as well I think. The fact that the public come back here and are obviously recommending the site to others says it all and that is down to you guys, you did that not me.
As for the trade side, yes I know that some WP’s and manufacturers in particular might not like it in that regard, but it was bound to happen at some stage. The only advice I would offer is to try to use the feedback that they get from UKW for free in a positive manner and resolve some of the issues.
If someone chooses not to be a part of it then fine, I’ve absolutely no problem with that at all. But to make sweeping comments with no justification for it is a bit much to take, but so be it.
As for walking out when the subject of UKW is brought up well, again, that’s the choice of the individual and they are perfectly entitled to their opinion whether I or anyone else agrees or not. Some people from DASA just seem to have taken the view that UKW is a threat and they abhor it for whatever reason, fine. Again I will not be drawn into a slagging match on the topic, it’s non-productive and serves no purpose so I will not waste my time being involved in such a discussion. It does however seem a little extreme to say the least as well as a tad petulant. But it’s not my call and I’ll leave it to everyone to form their own opinions on the validity of such actions.
K.
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Very well said ken, however we on UKW are not all the same so…..
I’ve sorted it, payback has been delivered, the end.
Kevin
H’erm, excuse me but have I missed something here, I assume something has been said/remarked apon and not to the liking I assume. If so any small light shown about it for open discussion or shall I find out soon.
All very mysterious.OT
No OT, you’ve not much missed much, just someone gobbing off and accussing others of similar behaviour, as well as casting aspersions on someone’s character. It’s sorted now I believe.
But as was said, we’re not stooping to that level so the parties will remain as anonymous as possible and it’s not going to be re-visited by any involved from UKW.
K.
Re: DASA
How about a publicity stunt? Something along the lines of dressing up as Batman and then …….? 😉
Seriously though, to me there has always been a fatal flaw in organisations such as DASA. That is – because of the high standards and code of practices required, they tend to attract the elite or aspiring. This is always likely to be a relatively small percentage of people in the trade. But in order to attract enough funds and give value for money you need to get as many members as possible.
You can’t start letting anyone in as it would undermine the whole point and alienate existing members. Therefore you are doomed to being a minority group that can never be big enough to get economies of scale benefits for members.
Because of this, maybe members should accept that fees will always be relatively high. The problem then, is why should they pay high fees unless they get something very worthwhile in return and we are back on the vicious circle.
If Government decides to enforce standards DASA is going to thrive and prosper. If not, it’s going to be tough.
I would just like to say how much I have enjoyed following this discussion it has been one of the best I have come across on any forum, many ideas and views have been aired mostly good-naturedly with both wit and passion.
I hope that having this discussion will have given all an insight to how others see the problems facing the DASA and have the courage to put aside prejudice and ill feeling and concentrate on the future plans and ambitions to create a stronger more appealing association for the benefit of all present and future members.
It is not hard to see how some would see UKW as a threat to the DASA regardless of how much they are assured it is not, it seems that UKW has more members that the DASA but from what I have seen on this site it has been a good platform for discussions and information exchange between engineers from all over the UK and other countries, breaking down barriers and spreading information and opportunities very quickly between the members. Far from degrading the importance of the DASA I think it has spread more knowledge of the association to none members (the last time I heard of it was when it was first starting up) and as such more interest.
It is human nature to disagree over the way things should be done (look at my earlier posts) but to move forward, pride needs to be put aside and compromises that will bind and strengthen the membership put in place.
It is my sincere hope that due to this discussion most of the animosity has been expunged and that when you have your meeting you will be able move forward with intent, forget the past and ensure a new future which represents all: not just the loudest.
GOOD LUCK
Richard Scanlon SnrRe: DASA
Richard Snr, do you want to become a member. If so, PM me your details. You are among a few who recognise things as they should be.
We all should work together for the benefit of all, DASA should (to my mind) help those who want to become better at their job, improve their standard and quality and encourage such. For those who have upped their standard, we should encourage them to join. I agree the benefits are few, but this does not mean we have not tried to give benefits to members it is just they have not taken them up, and this is not an Association that say’s they must.
We have many faults but also many good points, Del and I have tried to point some good ones out but it is only human nature to point out the bad ones.
As andy_art_trigg say’s If HMG make Legislation of DASA’s code of practice our cup would runneth over. But we have to keep ourselves in that position otherwise those who know nothing of our trade would run it, and I doubt any one jack of us would want that.
DASA has to be their for the potential of being the best our trade can offer in our field all I ask is for all readers of this to try and understand DASA does its level best for this trade just as does UKW.
I am now off to the pre-meeting of DASA’s AGM, I hope to see some of you over the next 24hours or so. I look forward to reading the ongoing posts upon my return.
Oldtog
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