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Re: Dishwasher Engineers 2??
Del wrote:Just for good measure
Whoops!…I think that link shows that the definition is precisely what mjk8 & Dave_P have been saying all along 😳
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I’m glad I was incommunicado over the weekend; otherwise I would have waxed lyrical.
I see his point, but why bother to waste so much of his time telling us? He obviously had an issue with it, and wanted to feel important, rather than impotent. Never mind.
The one that amazes me is take a look at recruitment pages these days, and you will find loads of situations vacant for “Sales Engineer”. Now perhaps I should follow the example of this guy and take umbrage for similar reasons.
The only correlation in the word is to Engineer a Solution, whether that be a repair or to facilitate a sale. It sems the word may well have been devalued in the opinion of the instigator of the thread, but really is that our fault? Of course not.
Alex
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The only time an appliance engineer (that’s what i called myself) doesn’t deserve the title of ‘engineer’ is when he/she just swops parts on a machine to make it work again. That could appy to any engineer, in any particular field of engineering. IMO, an engineer is somebody that knows how a machine works, knows how all it’s different compoents work, and could fix those compoents in a ‘desert island’ situation, when a replacement part isn’t available (but tools and materials are available 😉 ). Someone that has the knowledge to design a machine, or a compoent.
But, the main point is, how dare that t*t belittle our jobs, because we work on domestic machines rather than industrial! That is what he is doing; because he trained for some years to work in a specific field of engineering, he thinks he can tell other engineers that we aren’t technically qualified to use that term? What a pillock! 🙄
He wants to argue about semantics and terminology?
I’m sure he’ll get all the technical information he needs in his work, and I’m sure there won’t be 1000’s of different machines for him to repair! We’re electricians, plumbers, mechanics, problem-solvers and most of all, hard-working engineers.
Of course, it’s all a matter of opinion, and opinions are like a***holes, everybody got one! Everyone is entitled to show their own, but when you are clearly wrong you should apoligise, before you dissappear.
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Goatboy wrote:…appliance engineer (that’s what i called myself)
From now on I’m calling myself an ‘engineer’ 😀
And maybe I’ll carry around my certificates with me!
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Do you know what?….All these years ( since 19 hundred and frozen to death in fact)….Ive been calling myself a “Service Engineer”…….whenever I come to the bit on the application form for a mortgage, a passport, a bank loan etc, I scribble with shaky hand – Service engineer
….all these umptididdly years no-one has ever questioned it, I’ve never had to explain myself to anybody over that fact, no-one has stood up and argued, queried or questioned that statement in any way, shape or form?
…….until now?
I appears that someone that purports to be better qualified to judge has questioned the terminology? That the ‘PC brigade’ has infiltated the very heart of the trade to which I have devoted my life to, and at the stroke of his PC issue pen, has crossed out engineer and replaced it with repairer????
Taking a deep breath, sighing and looking skyward 🙄 I discover that both engineer and repairer contain 8 letters and therefore will still fit nicely on the form, should I need to make any further applications for a mortgage, passport or bank loan…so that’s OK 😀
He’s happy, I’m happy..result status quo!
Besides looking on the positive, the word repairer beats the word engineer……….at SCRABBLE!!!!!!!!!
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Dont worry gents found mjk8’s alias Dave_P
He is going to write a song about his perception of the word Engineer, I think 😆Re: Dishwasher Engineers 2??
In answer to Farmboys quote **But all those components you mention are electrical components. Could your electrician correctly locate the fault on a washing machine that overfills or would he dive straight in & change the control module?
You wouldn’t call an electrician to fix your washing machine, nor would you call a plumber and you certainly wouldn’t call in a mechanic so “white goods men” need experience of all 3 areas.
A washing machine isn’t just electronic controls, there are mechanical components like bearings and there are various water components, valves, hoses etc.
To quote the collins dictionary:
“ENGINEER – a person who repairs and maintains mechanical or electrical devices”That’s us.**
Ok right……The industrial electrician will carryout the following work and more:
Install, repair & fault find on AC inverter drives including set up of intenal programmable parameters to suite the application. The motor application could anything from a conveyor line to a large pump – from tiny units found in the washing machine to large industrial pumps upwards of 500KW. Including removal of such motors and refitting and balancing output shafts.
Strip down of AC & DC motors including bearing changes, brush changes, field winding fault finding, friction issues – overheating, etc
Fault finding on all ranges of heating systems from basic trace heated pipework heating systems with digital and analogue control to furnace & kiln heating control. This would include all aspects of thyristor burst firing techniques to simple digital contol. Fault finding on thermocouple heating controls including thermocouple selection, compensating cable selection and A-D converters. This would include the 4-20 mA instrumentation loops that these devices use to connect to the outside world
Fault finding on all aspects of chart recording devices connected to such instrumentation.
Fault finding on differential pressure cells and instrumentation loops. This would include removal of such devices and reconection to instrumentation pipework.
Fault finding on analogue and digital flow measuring devices measuring liquid and gas flow. Setup and fault finding on process flow control valves, for both simple digital to more readily found analogue. This would include all pipework connections to remove/refit.
Fault finding on PH measuring equipment including strip down and overhaul of sensor heads.
Fault finding and setup of analogue and digital liquid level devices from basic conductivity probe setup to complex ultrasonic and “tuning fork” types. This would involve all analogue control loops backwards from the sensor head.
Fault finding on digital and analogue pressure detection systems.
Fault finding on all types of transducers and all contol circuits.
Fault finding on complex PLC control systems from basic ladder logic programs to complex statement list logic for high speed applications. PLC’s could be of the >500 input/output configuration.
All this and more, yet he is still the electrician, not the engineer.
Paul.
Err, you still haven’t answered my questions Dave and we have to go in more often than not with absolutely no information or help from the manufacturer whatsoever.
So this makes our fault finding abilities devalued in what way?
You guys have all the info, we don’t.
Oh and we have to deal with hundreds of different appliances across scores of brands and literally thousands of components.
Fault finding is relatively easy with all the information to help you, which your spark is more then liable to have, unlike us. Quite often we don’t even have a schematic to work from, we have to work it out from scratch and effectively reverse engineer, only the challenge is greater as we’re doing that with a fault present.
So you tell me, are we dumb or what, which is what I’m getting that you’re trying to say?
And answer the points please, or is that beneath you?
K.
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Electrical Engineer 😆 Titles Titles and more blooming Titles me thinks this one will run for ever.
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Pratt is the only word that springs to mind Dave_P……
grow upYou might be qualified to call yourself an engineer, but please don’t assume none of us are any less qualified in our own fields of operations. Many of us had other lives before we found this trade to settle into, mine was nuclear fusion, at the sharp end, if you think producing that any less than your own experiences you are surely a fool, but there you go………
Kevinx industrial process control. x HM Forces, x British Aerospace now fixing appliances for a living
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He’s not still at it is he? The axe he was grinding should be down to the handle by now. Obviously been put on short time since Chernobyl.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t the story go that the Great Big Billy Goats Gruff KICKED the Troll out into the wide blue yonder………… but the Troll’s still here!!!!! 🙄ENTRANCE GOATBOY!!!!!! :rotl:
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I suppose your all baffled by anything thats not a pump, a digital switch or a soap tray !!
The fact is that you fix very simple devices that have a couple of inputs and outputs – very basic stuff.
Don’t forget to add the soap to your washer when your mending it !! 😀
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Dave_P wrote:I suppose your all baffled by anything thats not a pump, a digital switch or a soap tray !!
The fact is that you fix very simple devices that have a couple of inputs and outputs – very basic stuff.
Don’t forget to add the soap to your washer when your mending it !! 😀
Are you stupid or what ???, I have a HNC in mechanical/electrical engineering, and spent many years at at Japanese factory showing 1 pr**** like yourself with a qualification like youself how to use both mechanical and electrical test equipment to design products albeit slightly on a smaller scale that yourself.
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