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Re: List of washers with sealed/welded tubs
iadom wrote:The Indesit machines with the stainless tank and cast iron or later alloy bearing supports still had a sealed drum.
Oh yeah, they did didn’t they? Those ruddy Torx screws and the little wedge holding the spigot in place against the back of the tub!…..crap personified,but I never had probs retrieving socks and bra wire on those.
They were superseded by those models that EXPLODE all over folks kitchens to this day……..
…..that’s progress for you!
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The exploding is a bit of an issue with all plastic tanks although never saw it with the screwed ones. I thing they type of plastic has also changed.
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“The quality or otherwise re sealed v screwed drums is irrelevant, the fact is you can get bra wires, socks, screws etc out of a screwed drum, there are many times when it impossible to do this with a welded drum. :rolls:”
Yes your quite right on that point too. A point I neglected to include in my speel. But the point I made on what I did write is still valid as far as it goes.
“The exploding is a bit of an issue with all plastic tanks although never saw it with the screwed ones. I think the type of plastic has also changed.” Yes I thought that too, you could be very right on that in that they`re using a more brittle plastic but I thought that on these disasterous Indesit models it was the seam splitting looking at how the drum is joined without the strengthening fold line of the seam. But of course you could be right that it is the tank that breaks up first rather than the drum breaking causing the tank to disintegrate i.e. that way round rather that t`other……….interesting idea.Re: List of washers with sealed/welded tubs
I believe on the indesit’s it is the inner drum seem going and if I’m honest I was taking to some of the lads last week about it. Of 5 of them they never even seen it. I did see one few years back my self but its not as bad as the media make out from what they are saying and trust me they would tell me if it was bad. in fact the deaths from cookers, fire risk driers and fridges from the Beko don’t seem to be getting half the attention that the exploding tanks get and the italians are not happy about that fact. Rather Odd that considering people have died.
The reason I’m convinced the plastic is also more brittle and more likely to shatter is I seen quite a few WM and WMA inner drums tear open from coin damage and jam against the plastic tanks but never have I had one go through or shatter. Of the spider snapped Iv seen it cut into the outer tank but never completely destroy its self.
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Just to add to the madness, any engineers had a coin, screw, nail or bra wire stuck in the tub. Even had a small childs trouser leg, can’t remove due to tub being sealed. Machine scrap, manufacturer quoting miss use. Nice one!
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preggy wrote: manufacturer quoting miss use.
Which is correct.
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I don’t perceive any great rise in retail prices of washing machines. The low price is due to Btits commanding too high a wage compared to eastern countries. This is just another classic export of British jobs. While Japan is being accused of aggresive monetary policy at the moment to bring our money to them their living standards are falling (£2 a tomato, £1 an apple I heard last week).
When we are as squeezed as less “developed” countries it will again be economical for appliances to be worked on in this country. But for now, as Evan Davis (with all his BBC perspectives) says in Made In Britain (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Made-Britain-na … 0349123780) we can only afford to manufacture satellites, rockets and other objects requiring huge kick backs to Universities to get ourselves employed in any “thinking” capacity.
Sorry for the polemnic, but if White Goods’ prices inflate, that is good for bringing our standard of living down, and jobs back on shore.
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Postby crankpot » Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:00 pm
I don’t perceive any great rise in retail prices of washing machines. The low price is due to Brits commanding too high a wage compared to eastern countries. This is just another classic export of British jobs. While Japan is being accused of aggressive monetary policy at the moment to bring our money to them their living standards are falling (£2 a tomato, £1 an apple I heard last week).When we are as squeezed as less “developed” countries it will again be economical for appliances to be worked on in this country. But for now, as Evan Davis (with all his BBC perspectives) says in Made In Britain (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Made-Britain-na … 0349123780) we can only afford to manufacture satellites, rockets and other objects requiring huge kick backs to Universities to get ourselves employed in any “thinking” capacity.
Sorry for the polemic, but if White Goods’ prices inflate, that is good for bringing our standard of living down, and jobs back on shore.
Your forgetting: if white goods prices inflate everything else will inflate meaning wages would in normal times increase too. But these are not normal times. If/now that there is inflation up to 10{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} in some retail/ services sectors normally interest rates increase to control inflation, as does the knock on affect of this which is unemployment. When, not if, this happens there will be a major default on loans/ mortgages, so your right, we will have a low standard of living but for all the wrong reasons. There will be no guarantee of firms starting up production here, this is exactly what happened in Argentina which was a very wealthy place once (50`s and 60`s) and now is not in relative terms.
To be honest, I think short to medium term we are stuffed good and proper with 1.5 trillion pounds worth of private debt let alone the state debt. This is what happens when there is a property bubble ( which has yet to pop properly)built on borrowed money which cannot be paid back- as China is just finding out, the difference is though that they primarily invested in tangible goods they could sell, every day things like washing machines, motorcycles, etc… whereas we invested in the quick buck property ladder which produces nothing positive. To all those who think we should be building council estates to give employment the simple answer is with what, more borrowed money, i.e. more debt to cure the present debt, this is also what UK has done for the last 40 years; it did not work, it just seems to work.
Remember it is not how much you earn that matters it is how much it costs you to live!
Fancy priced repair costs of machines are destroying the appliance industry- if you have a machine that costs £200 to buy but are charging £60-£80 callout and labour do not be surprised you have little work. I charge £30.00 plus parts having lowered my horizons and I`m now getting much more work which means I get something to do to help someone else , and the machines are fixed rather than scrapped which are the 2 main reasons for doing this job in my opinion in the first place.Re: List of washers with sealed/welded tubs
Wow!……….perhaps then the vast majority of washing machine manufacturers where right to decide the future is indeed THE WELDED TUB….! 😉
What with welded tubs, brushless motors, sealed pumps, sealed inlet safety valves, computer only programmable electronics…..what’s left to fix?
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Unread post by Martin » Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:38 am
Wow!……….perhaps then the vast majority of washing machine manufacturers where right to decide the future is indeed THE WELDED TUB….! 😉What with welded tubs, brushless motors, sealed pumps, sealed inlet safety valves, computer only programmable electronics…..what’s left to fix?
`T`ain`t seen nothing yet! The first £120 disposable washer is on its way, don`t know when but it will be.
This has, as you know, happened with kettles, toasters etc… but with large white goods what the importers will do is do a discount scheme: buy 120 quid machine, use for 4 years, scrap, buy back for recycle and they will play heavily on that point to make it seem all wonderful, get your machine delivered installed for free, with £10.00 soap power voucher. The only other machines folks will then buy will be the up market complex repairable machines but these will be a manufacturers captive market with as you rightly say “What with welded tubs, brushless motors, sealed pumps, sealed inlet safety valves, computer only programmable electronics…..”. There is a market for every thing at the right price. But there will be no repair market pour moi if/when this happens and I`ll be lucky to get a job flipping burgers- Mac Noodles ” our burgers may be low in fat but they are high in Shelgar”…..Ha, one of my better copied jokes!!Re: List of washers with sealed/welded tubs
Thinking about this sealed tank business but from a different angle of dangle. Lets say the bacteria inside a modern washing machine is dangerous (it is by the way as it put me in hospital for 1.5 weeks), the manufacturers know this but are of course not going to publicize it and are wary of the issues regarding this and their repair and so they now produce throw away tank units, problem solved, production costs reduced and problem solved too.
I`m not a microbiologist, otherwise I wouldn`t be pi**ing around on my knees all day under washing machines for very little, but it would be really interesting, for one who has had first hand experience, as to what bacteria we are dealing with. Anyone know? Anyone got any ideas? Is there a link or even an indirect link to house hold borne illnesses? Or , of course, none at at all except direct contact through cuts as I found out once.
Your views please and this has been purposely posted on the public forum- don`t expect an appliance repair bloke to know the ins and outs of the whacky world of bacteria from a scientific angle.Re: List of washers with sealed/welded tubs
Bleach based powders kill 99.99{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} of bacteria in a washing machine so what more do you need to know? Do a monthly 90degree service wash with a bleach based detergent or proprietary cleaning agent designed for the job and problem solved 99.99{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} of the time!
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How would you know that martin? You are but a simple appliance repair man with the brains of a gnat.
I didnt realise that us poor repair people were rated so low in society.
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DrDill wrote:How would you know that martin? You are but a simple appliance repair man with the brains of a gnat.
I didnt realise that us poor repair people were rated so low in society.LOL :D.
Our cross to bear, ain’t live b****? 😈
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sce wrote
Your forgetting: if white goods prices inflate everything else will inflate meaning wages would in normal times increase tooComplete nonsense, cars, food, gas, electricity, fuel, etc, etc have all inflated massively over the past 25 years, realistically priced, decent quality whitegoods would NOT ‘inflate everything else’.
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