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It appears that Youtube has come under fire from this bunch according to the late news last night. Tens of thousands of music files will have to be removed as it`s a public sharing medium :rolls:
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we listen to music via youtube..what can they do about that
As I said previously this comes as no surprise and just goes to show that no matter who you may be the laws of copyright and public performance are enforceable in every case ! Get your licences before they turn up on your doorstep !
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The You-Tube one, I can see the point in that. However listening to the radio which is there just for that purpose, is taking it too far.
Waiting for my collar to be felt now I assume.
Alex
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Alex wrote:Waiting for my collar to be felt now I assume.
Oh yes Alex they’re on to us all now mate and there’s no escape! Hoards of PRS undercover agents are out there poking listening devices through folks letterboxes in suburbia. Strolling High Streets posing as shoppers with recording devices ready to pounce. :rolls:
They will be no hiding place!!!!!!!!!!! 😈
And just when you think you’ve got it all covered, from business rate tax, shop trading licence, public liability insurance, VAT registration, Waste Disposal Licence, Fire Safety Certificate, Employees PAYE, Landlords leasing agreement, Right of access parking permits, Building insurance, Contents insurance, Companies House registration, Cancellation of Contract made in consumers homes forms, TV licence, Water rates, Gas & electric accounts, Vehicle excise duty, MOT certificates, Vehicle insurance policies, CORGI certification, Part P certification and Council tax. (I must have left something out there surely?)
Just when you thought it was safe to earn a crust…..along comes Performing Rights Society lest you should happen to turn on your radio in public? ….my..oh my.:rolls:
I couldn’t live with myself if I thought George Michael or Boy George weren’t getting their just deserts. Diarrhoea Carey, wailing daffodil Duffy and morose Morrisey couldn’t drag a living out of all this?…fair play to that lot eh?:x
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Bloody scandalous, the PRS have tried to put up the fees to my local football club from £700 to £3,900. 😯
No wonder the Latics have to them to shove it. :rolls:
Jim.
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PRS are a pain in the back-side!
I comprised with them. Everytime a customer walks into shop, or everytime the phone rings, the one person working in the building turns off the radio :rolls:
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now if you have radio 1 on and you and all the people working there have paid for there tv licence (going up again) and anyone who walks in your shop have paid for theres i don`t see what is wrong
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Come on stop being tight I think you should all pay up!!!!!!!!Everyone knows Michael Jackson is short of a few bob these stars need looking after during these hard times. 😆
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Next time the PRS people phone up, tell them that you listen to five live 😉
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Third letter came yesterday. (Together with new Council Tax Bill pretending to be some sort of friendly information pack with smiley faced leaflets printed at my expense.)
I’m thinking of writing back under the guise of RPS , Rainforest Preservation Society, notifying them that their misuse of paper products is threatening our atmosphere. 👿
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Petalpop Said: now if you have radio 1 on and you and all the people working there have paid for there tv licence (going up again) and anyone who walks in your shop have paid for theres i don`t see what is wrong
Licence fees for TV and radio are under the Wireless Telegraphy Act i.e that each of us have to pay to RECEIVE wireless or Television transmissions, The PRS licence has nothing to do with that its to to with Public Performance of someone elses material and copyright and legally we all need a licence for both items and in the case of the PRS if music that does not belong to you is played and others can hear it !
Imagine that Microsoft or Adobe were writing software and everyone was not paying for it but that we just passed it on from one to the other ? ( what pirate software ? ) these companies would not make any money and hence develpment of new software would stop.
No Money for aunthorised public perfomance and copyright infringement = no money for the song writers, artists and musicians = no music !
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squadman wrote:No Money for aunthorised public perfomance and copyright infringement = no money for the song writers, artists and musicians = no music
So let me get this straight…..:?… A songwriter writes a song and sells it to the singer……..the singer sings the song and it’s recorded and sold on by the singers publisher and distributor………the songwriter, singer and publishers get royalties for every recording sold and live performances by the singer……………the song is broadcast worldwide on 1,000’s of radio and TV stations and royalties to air that song each time it’s played is paid to the singer for a minimum period of 30 years……..!!
And unless we stump up for a PRS licence they’ll be no more music? No more “I’m Dreaming of White Christmas” down the Tesco ailes? No more Kylie or Keane? And silence falling upon the workplace for evermore?
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Yep ! thats about it
WHY A PRS LICENCE IS REQUIRED (THE FACTS )
what UK COPYRIGHT LAW protects
UK copyright law (primarily, the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988) provides protection for recorded music and music videos (along with other types of creative works) by giving the copyright owner certain exclusive rights of use. Anyone who uses recorded music or music videos for those protected uses will be infringing copyright unless they are licensed (i.e. authorised) to do so by the copyright owner.For recorded music (referred to under copyright law as “sound recordings”), the original copyright owner is the person who undertakes the arrangements necessary for the recording to be made – usually this is the record company responsible for organising and paying for the recording. Music videos are protected by UK copyright law as “films” and the same “necessary arrangements” rule applies to determine the original copyright owner.
The copyright owner’s exclusive rights to use recorded music and music videos in the UK include, amongst others:
– the right to play them in public;
– the right to communicate them to the public (including broadcasting them);
– the right to copy them.
Please note that you may still require a licence even if you do not think you are using recorded music or music videos in any of these ways, as the legal scope of these exclusive rights can be broader than you might think – see the panels on the right of the screen for some examples of this.
how ppl is able to grant your licence
There is no section of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 that creates PPL or gives it the power to grant licences. Instead, PPL was set up by the UK’s copyright owners themselves and it is through them that PPL acquires the legal entitlement to grant your licence. On joining, recorded music and music video copyright owners legally transfer the relevant rights to us, or appoint us as their agent to exercise them.The result is that PPL effectively becomes the copyright owner, and is therefore able to grant collective licences authorising you to play in public, or broadcast, all of its members’ recorded music or music videos in the UK. Those collective licences can also cover the copying of recorded music and music videos for certain purposes (e.g. where businesses provide jukeboxes, hard disk systems and other music/video services to other businesses) but for other acts of copying you may require the direct permission of the relevant record company.
This means that you can legitimately use a vast range of recorded music or music videos without needing separate licences from each record company, etc; instead, you simply need the appropriate PPL licence. You can access further details of the various licences that PPL issues via the menu on the left hand side of the screen.
why obtaining a prs or MCPS licence is not enough
Please note that PPL is not the same as the Performing Right Society (PRS), the Mechanical Copyright Protection Society (MCPS) or the MCPS-PRS Alliance.Whenever a sound recording or music video is played in public or broadcast in the UK, a PRS licence is likely to be required in addition to a licence from PPL. Similarly, you are likely to need a PPL licence as well as an MCPS licence to copy a sound recording or music video in the UK.
This is because the law protects separately the underlying musical and lyrical compositions (e.g. the “song”) embodied in sound recordings and music videos. The rights in those musical and lyrical works are owned separately (by composers/publishers) and licensed collectively on behalf of those separate copyright owners by PRS and MCPS (who operate together as the MCPS-PRS Alliance).
what happens if you do not obtain the appropriate licence
Hundreds of thousands of businesses and broadcasters are licensed by PPL and are therefore able to make lawful use of recorded music and music videos. However, please be aware that failure or refusal to obtain the appropriate PPL licence can have serious consequences, and may ultimately result in a court order to stop you playing sound recordings or music videos altogether until all outstanding fees are paid in full – as well as making you pay interest and costs.Re: Performing Rights Society
So strictly speaking, If I walk into a customers house whistling a copyrighted tune, I need a License. Also, did you know that if you stand on your drive, and wave to a person up the street on his drive, you theoretically need a license, because you are communicating intelligense from one premises to another, using electromagnetic waves[light]
Maybe it is time to start a radio station broadcasting traditional folk music, which is too old to be copyrighted.Re: Performing Rights Society
So cutting to the chase, can I listen to MY Radio in My office, because that is what it amounts to.
Taking it further, there are 2 girls in another office who sometimes put on a radio if they remember, they are the only 2 that can hear it.
What about in my car (windows closed), playing a C.D. and there are 4 people in that car? That surely matches the criteria as the 2 girls in the office.
As I’ve stressed, I’ve paid my share in buying everything legitimately as regards my personal collection. I have NO intention of paying this, EVER! I will simply remove the radio.
Alex
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