Performing Rights Society

[boselecta]

Its not all bad, you dont need a PRS licence listening to talksport, talk on radio 4, radio 2 unsigned bands, any unsigned music or signed music with the artists consent.

[squadman]

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Its interesting looking at all the points of view on this subject, yes we all have our own views and many see this as another cash making item of legislation. But I think that when you look further into this its not exactly as it appears.

The minute you start talking about charging for music to be played in public places or where the public or others can hear its almost logical to jump to the conclusion that these artists have way enough money already and naturaully resent being asked to pay more.

Its a fact that the music industry is full of songwriters who earn very little money at all ! imagine getting paid a penny for everytime a piece of your work is played and then wait years to actully see the proceeds ! You have to live in the meantime and whilst there are a few writers who have had one megahit after another there are countless others who have not been so lucky. You could write a thousand songs and have one that enters the charts, on top of all of this the music industry has changed out of all reconigtion over recent years and with millions downloading music for nothing then these writters earn nothing from that.

Imagine us hard done engineers working day after day and seeing nothing for our efforts ? We have all got to live, feed our familys and pay the bills and while there may be those who might suggest that these poor songwriters find themsleves a proper job the world needs a balance.
You can ban the radio or CD player from the workplace in protest of the PRS, you can stamp your feet and shout ” I’m not paying this ! “
Most people like music, we like to listen at home, in the car, down the pub, go to live concerts and events, discos and clubs, without music it would be a dull world and boring workplace.

[iadom]

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Thats as maybe, but the PRS are taking the p*** as far as I am concerned in this instance.

http://www.ukwhitegoods.co.uk/modules.p … 437#220437

A increase from £700 to £3,900 is bloody ridiculous.

Jim.

[squadman]

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Ah Football ! Lets look at the huge fee’s that are paid to players and the ticket prices and huge profits the big clubs make, this pales what we are talking about somewhat.

Now while I realise that some little clubs and sunday leagues may find this unworkable they need to consider if by playing music it enhances their buisness to their customers. Nothing is for nothing, if you find something for nothing then its probably not a lot of good.

I bet that when various football teams have recorded songs over the years that they never once minded the finanancial rewards of their efforts !

[iadom]

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Come on, get real. This is Oldham Athletic we are talking about. Not a ‘little or Sunday League’ club either.

Currently losing several thousand pounds a week, half the first team players are loan signings or free transfers, recognised as having one of the lowest wage structures in the division.

They have used the same song for many years, it is only played as the teams run out on the pitch at home games, TBH £700 is a rip off for playing this song around 25 times a year.
To try and charge them £3,900 for playing Mouldy Old Dough, one of the biggest heaps of carp ever recorded is just plain stupid and greedy, thats over £150 for each time this awful song is played 😈

Jim.

[squadman]

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Now while I realise that some little clubs and sunday leagues may find this unworkable ( Quote )

Come on, get real. This is Oldham Athletic we are talking about. Not a ‘little or Sunday League’ club either.

Sorry Jim but I did mention such instances did I not ?

Currently losing several thousand pounds a week, half the first team players are loan signings or free transfers, recognised as having one of the lowest wage structures in the division.

For many going to such events may be sport but its no different to any other business and if the club is loosing such large amounts weekly then the directors need to address the losses and increase revenue by fund raising and ticket prices, raffles, club dances ( yep that’ll need a licence )

They have used the same song for many years, it is only played as the teams run out on the pitch at home games, TBH £700 is a rip off for playing this song around 25 times a year.
To try and charge them £3,900 for playing Mouldy Old Dough, one of the biggest heaps of carp ever recorded is just plain stupid and greedy, thats over £150 for each time this awful song is played

Jim.

Mouldy old dough might fall into such a catogory but its a ex-No 1 and the licence is blanket cover and unfortuneatly does not take into account use over a few weeks of the year. £ 3,900 per annum to play one song 25 times is indeed unworkable and like lots of legislation there are always extremites and this is one such case.

Other than refraining from playing that song or commsioning your own club song I cannot see any way around that. Lifes a bitch mate !

[rolf]

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So squadman you would not mind paying a extra 1p on your next purchase of beans at Tesco.Just so you can listen to the cheeky girls as you walk round.Because someone is going to pay for it in the end.As for your coment about writers not making enough money good ones make very good money bad ones dont.The same as footballers really. I played for ten years.Never made a penny. 😳

[squadman]

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The truth is when you enter a supermarket the goods that you may buy already incorporate the running costs of the business including the cheeky girls. There are many intermediate song writers and composers who write music for things like nature films, cartoons, radio jingles etc etc etc. These people make a living, people like Rod Temperton and Quincy Jones who write for the likes of Micheal Jackson ( Soon to make a fortune ) earn millions its a case of proportion Rolf.

Personally I do not mind paying for goods and services I receive as I expect to do so. Just looking at Oldhams website and with the amount of major sponsers, advertisers, ticket prices and elaborate website they are no different to any other league clubs who also have to pay the PRS.

[Penguin45]

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Lots of bad footballers make plenty of money, so I take you’re a musician? 😀

Last year’s royalty cheque for our album and ep amounted to £7.37. As as semi-pro musician for many years, it was at least an acknowledgement of Straight Jake and Resistance’s efforts. The drummer in Resistance was a terribly nice chap called Hugh Whittaker, sometime drummer from The House Martins – huge at the time, before Heaton and Cook split the band for their own personal profit. Hugh described his royalties as enough to get a good meal a couple of times a year.

There is a logic to what the PRS is doing, it just doesn’t balance out.

Chris.

[squadman]

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The PRS is now making sure that more money gets back to where it should as opposed to how things used to be. I do a fair amount of reading and talking to various people and this seems to actually be the case.

There are always going to be winners and losers in any form of regulation
and its no different to saying I should’nt need to pay for a full years TV licence or Road Fund Licence as I am only using the facility 5 months of the year.

[rolf]

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Thanks penguin 😈 If I was you I would keep it at semi pro at at £ 7.37 😆 .Now dont get me wrong I just dont agree that I should pay to listen to music when I have no choice in the matter.It starts of at 1p for a can of beans but where will it all end if they keep putting there prices up.The cost of running the business goes through the roof so do are shopping bills.As for writing music or jingles people do it because they love doing it.Its like painting or other art forms you should not be guarenteed an income just because you worked at something.Im of to write a ditty on my mini piano I might make more at that than I did at football.

[Penguin45]

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I would quite happily pay to have the music turned off in public spaces……

Sorry about the footie…… 😀

Chris.

[rolf]

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Me too I never liked the cheeky girls anyway….Sorry about the semi pro I really think you should call yourself professional if you have been paid for it. 😀 Nah maybe not 😛

[squadman]

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As for writing music or jingles people do it because they love doing it.Its like painting or other art forms you should not be guarenteed an income just because you worked at something

Sorry Rolf I cannot see your point of view with this, lets clarify this a minute. The Music Industry is an industry like any other, it produces a product that has a commercial demand. As its commercial there are costs associated in producing the products. Sure People like musicians have to enjoy what they do and that is how a musician starts. Not all musicians are songwriters, many are incidental to getting the product into production. Like any industry or product nothing is guaranteed not even that we as service engineers can earn a living.

Like any invention if you hit on a idea ( sorry about the pun ) and its popular then people want it. Enter money, the more people that want it the more one can make. I cannot see anything wrong with this and not all songwriters and musicians are long haired layabouts strumming geetars waiting to get paid for stringing a few words together.

The Professionals who compose material are not doing it for fun they do it to earn a living, the only difference is that they happen to enjoy their work ! A case of round pegs banged into round holes: 😀

[rolf]

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My point is as you put it there are many INTERMIDIATE song writers and composers.Who I have to pay money too.Just to listen to there dross.Now correct me if im wrong but dont these artist get paid by the radio or tv station when there records are played.I just wish I got 1p for everytime a washing machine was turned on that I repaired.Its a bloody fiddle 😥

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