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Re: Performing Rights Society
Well Rolf I appreciate your point of view but you say you have no choice
Please remember that if you want to listen 24/7 to your radio that you are able to do so, you don’t need a licence for that. The problem starts when you want to play music to others in a public area then you have to pay. So yes you have a choice in the matter and lets not forget by listening to various radio stations you are exposed to a vast range of music and various artists, some of it is dross I have my own pet hates, that said you cannot ignore the fact that by listening to this wide range of music your are introduced to songs and artists that you may never have come across.I still cannot see the comparisons that if you repair something that we should get a fee everytime the machine is switched on ?? For in that process you have worked on something that someone else created
You cannot copyright a repair, an invention of your own yes,Today be happy and enjoy the music that you hear, why not whistle why you work or marvel at having the two Cheeky Girls helping you fix a Haier dishwasher ! 😉
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Thankyou squadman.But I feel as a consumer I do not have a choice because I will be paying indirectley to listen to music in every shop or public place I go into.As for the vast range of music im exposed too on the radio.I see this as free advertising for the artist and associates if I like it I go and buy it. Simple as that.As for the repair quote it was just in jest. 😆 But I think we shall have to agree to disagree on this one my friend. 😉
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It will ultimately rebound on all but the top artists anyway. People no longer listening to music at work will not be exposed to new music and new artists, so therefore will no longer hear something they like and be tempted to go out and buy the album/single.
Also, as the radios around the country are switched off in the small work places, commercial radio will see their listener base plummet (most commercial stations pander to the workplace community during the day) and therefore their advertising revenue will go the same way.
Be prepared to commercial stations struggling or merging just to survive. When there’s only a few left playing only a limited playlist, watch the royalties plummet.This is short sighted money grabbing imo, and it will bite them on the backside in the long run.
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Bagman this law is nothing new, its be around years and works just fine.
People will buy the licences and people wil listen to the radio in the workplace just like when fuel is hiked up people moan but still buy it.
The last few years has seen a move away from what I call plastic bands with just voclaists, the move has seen so many new bands back playing real instruments again and making real music, their record sales are up and so is the airplay. Therefore I think that you are mistaken by saying that it will end in demise for all concerned.Thanks for you reply Rolf, nice to have a discussion with you ! Whens your date with the Cheeky Girls ?
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I dont know about real bands and there record sales going up.But I do know the british recorded music industry generated 896million in 2008 while live gigs took 904 million.Now that is the first time in history for this to happen.So it seems to me if these artist and co want to earn some money they should get out there and get stuck in like the rest of us. As for the cheeky girls I got a result there.Two lesbiene girls moved in next door spitting image of the cheeky girls they got me a new Rolex watch.I think they misunderstood me when I said I WANNA WATCH 😆
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This debate is getting interesting and I must say I’m fascinated by all the comments. Here’s a comment taken from the Daily Mail by Richard Littlejohn: –
Richard Littlejohn wrote:So that’s what they mean by garage music
We’ve become used to bossy notices ordering us to turn off our engines and mobile phones in petrol stations.
But if the Performing Rights Society gets its way, we’ll soon have to switch off our car radios when we drive into garages.
The PRS, whose royalty-collection service keeps many a struggling musician in Class A drugs, recently raided the workshop of mechanic Len Attwood because he wasn’t displaying one of their stickers to prove he had a licence to play music in public.
Len told them he didn’t need one because he didn’t have a radio. Ah, but your customers have radios in their cars, he was informed, and they don’t always turn them off when they drive into the workshop.
Therefore, unless he bought a licence, he could be fined £2,000.
Either that, or put up a prominent notice ordering customers to switch off at the door.
Where will all this end? Technically, if you carry a passenger in your car, any music you play through the radio, iPod or CD player must constitute a public performance.
Wait until the Mad Mullah hears about this. The Traffic Taliban now claims that listening to music in a car is as dangerous as driving drunk.
Soon they’ll be setting up road blocks in conjunction with the PRS.
‘Why have you pulled me over, officer? I haven’t been drinking, and I certainly wasn’t exceeding the speed limit.’
‘I have reason to believe you have been listening to Radio 2 without a licence. Hand over your keys, sir, you’re nicked.’
…….and another example of the PRS Police (an article published a year ago)
“Petty officials have banned a sandwich shop owner from singing to his customer as he works – unless he gets a performance licence. Mark Neves has been serenading customers for the last 25 years with a medley of work-related songs including How Much Is That Shopkeeper In The Window and A Shopkeeper’s Life For Me. But his impromptu recitals have failed to find favour with the Performing Rights Society which has warned him he must get a £90 permit if he wants to carry on crooning!”
There’s no escape it seems from these pernicious, excessive and unjust indirect taxations and if the law says you have to conform then you have to conform. It doesn’t mean to say that it’s right, that it’s in any way reasonable or justifiable? In fact no finer example to stupidity and irrationality can there be but the very existence of the PRS and those that instigate its very being upon us. :rolls:
One day brothers – come the revolution…………………!!!! 8) 😉
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Well said Martin.The beautiful south (paul heaton)included the line (I love the P R S cheques that you bring) in one of there most succesful songs.(SONG FOR WHOEVER) aka I love you from the bottom of my pencil case.Second verse first line.PRS raised 562 million in 2007. No bloody wonder he loves them he probaly got a extra cut to sing about them. 😮
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I got an answerphone message yesterday from “Nathalie from PRS music” saying it was just to follow up on the letter (3) they hadn’t had a reply to. :rotfl: She asked me to ring 0800 588 4101 and mention a reference number with 2 letters and 7 numbers (so it’s not just me they’re after 😀 ).
I don’t have any intention of wasting one second of my time ringing them, but 💡 then again it would be nice to waste some of their time……..hmm misquote ref no maybe? …use 141 ? any ideas?
Mike.Re: Performing Rights Society
Tell them you compose your own music and lyrics, but your dog likes to ‘howl’ along to you whilst you’re performing your own songs.
Ask them if your dog is breaking the copyright and does he need a separate PRS license as he’s not authorised to howl along.
That should keep some moronic tw@t busy for an hour.
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bagman wrote:
Ask them if your dog is breaking the copyright and does he need a separate PRS license as he’s not authorised to howl along.
Nice one, bagman 😆 . Though I think they just might cotton on too quickly that I was taking the proverbial with that one.
I’m thinking now about trying to give the impression that I am terrified of them (hence using 141) and keep someone on the phone for about an hour (maybe one day when I’m short of work :rolls: ) giving them a sob story life history of everything that’s ever gone wrong in my life -maybe watch some Little Britain clips of Vicki Pollard beforehand to get me in the right mood.
Mike.Re: Performing Rights Society
Nathalie has just been on the phone again. Unfortunately I picked it up instead of leaving it to the answerphone. Had I recognised the number I would have allowed her to waste more space on my answering system.
So that you don’t waste your time picking up, the number is:
(01425)462790
I tried not to answer any questions, replying with such phrases as, “What business is it of yours?” etc. I explained that I was annoyed with PRS for wasting paper and my time and that if they wished to find out if I was playing music to anyone they’d have to send somebody round. She thanked me for my time and that was that.
Poor Nathalie sounded somewhat depressed. She must get a lot of this in her job. I hope she’ll find something more rewarding soon.
Mike.Re: Performing Rights Society
Message from these beggars again today :evil:. (01425)462793 this time. So sounds as if they’ve got a few lines. That’s Fordingbridge I think. Nice little town a few miles from my home town. Might pop in and see them next time I go up. Give them a piece of my mind.
Mike.Re: Performing Rights Society
It’s not just you that is upset……..
http://www.phonespamfilter.co.uk/search.php/01425462790.
Steve.
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Have been a part time musician since 1960,performing rights were active then,every song played at gigs had to be registered and a fee paid,was the venues responsibility I think.
Same with the radio stations they have to pay for every song they play a set fee which eventually finds it’s way to the artist.
It might be considered over the top for the likes of licence funded radio(does some of the tv fee cover that ?) we pay to have an extra charge levied upon us for playing in the workplace.
If radio 4 is the choice does it still apply,no music etc ?
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