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Re: Can I plug this Single electric oven in?
Also if you do any work on your appliances always remove the plug from the wall, single poles and kitchens sometimes have a shocking surprise in store.
Yes I would never start taking covers off electrical appliances which they are still plugged, although switched off. Takes all of about 1 sec to unplug.
Just going with the 16A mcb, ccu, 6mm cable and DP 20a switch.
Its all academic now but I do fail to see the genuine danger of 2.9kW on a plug on a 2.5mm ring as i have it. I have spoken to several electricians now and all said it wouldn’t bother them in the slightest (from a safety point of view) plugging that oven in, but I invalidate any warrantee and yes the MI should be followed for adherence to standards.
I think the problem often comes from the scaremongering regarding electrical circuits and appliances and the MI instructions a bit overkill at times. According to my toaster MI on the health and safety section I should clean it weekly, my LG TV says I should unplug if going away for any period of time. Even the RCBO for the wired smoke alarm states i should test weekly! I’d hazard a guess that there is practically no-one in Britain that ever tests a RCBO on a weekly basis!
I also read today from another electrician about the the grave danger of using electrical boxes that are non-accessible. I am aware of the rules and personally I always crimp and double insulate but lets be honest if the danger was that grave, half the houses in Britain would be fire. Its good to educated but at the same time be realistic otherwise people dismiss the advice completely.
Re: Can I plug this Single electric oven in?
thanks Martin,
It is curious why they say “total connected load = 2.9kw” and then refer to 16amp or why the previous Neff came with a plug and yet is similar power. I can buy a pluggable 3KW air heater that size
Anyway, I am future proofing the place so running dedicated cooker supply in
Re: Can I plug this Single electric oven in?
Thats fine guys, but others still are missing the point of my follow up questions.
The total connect load is stated at 2.9KW so I didn’t understand why you need 16amp fuse. That is what I was asking. If I picked the next range up, the 3.4kw one, then I see where the 16amp comes in , but I was asking about the 2.9KW verson
I fully accept the instructions are there for a reason and I am happy to follow them but instructions contradict each other. Neff say on the phone that it has to be hard wired yet their own documentation state “or the appliance must be connected using a plug with an earthing contact”.That is the 3rd time I have posted that quote and yet no one here has still given a reason why NEFF gave conflicting statements (as it appears to me), but would rather make smart-ass comments. Nor has anyone explain why two cookers rated the same KW require two different types of connections. Furthermore the existing NEFF oven is a 2.8kW oven and that is plugged in. This was done a certified electrician on a partial rewire.
Yes I am not a electrician but lets have a sensible conversation rather than unwarranted remarks about fires, burning houses down. That is simply foolish and scaremongering.
If it was plugged in using a 13amp fuse and suitable flex on a 2.5mm ring circuit (and we all agree it shouldn’t be now), and the cooker did indeed require 16amp (which in my limited understand of electrics how than can happen on a 2.9KW total load, I don’t know) and then surely the fuse in the plug would simply melt. If the 2.5mm ring melted then the 32MCB is not doing its job, or the cable is damaged? This is my laypersons understanding of electrics but you or others can point out if my understanding is incorrect.
Please someone explain where the danger of fire comes from? I genuinely want to know.I am interested in gaining knowledge and have no interest in internet forum squabbles
Rather than say, “do this, do that, otherwise you’re stupid”, you should justify your arguments for sake of education and for others reading the forum. If its a case where by you don’t want to state something as it could be misinterpreted, lead to people unknown scenarios and potentially dangerous, then fine, but you should state that.
Anyway I have lost interest in this forum. The point of these forums is for education of the public, not to demonstrate arrogance of the professional. Its unfriendly and impossible to have sensible conversation.
Re: Can I plug this Single electric oven in?
Lee
there is no need to be rude.The point of my post is an educational one. I am quoting what Neff have stated, (as quoted by Martin above). Neff themselves have said “or the appliance must be connected using a plug with an earthing contact”. By your condescending post I must be misunderstanding this statement. Maybe you can send a disrespectful email to Neff too for printing a potentially misleading statement.
If the oven doesn’t come with a plug, one could equally assume that the installer must provide a suitable cord ‘or’ it should be hardwired.
– That is my confusion, which you and martin have answered, thanks –I am not trying to justify a botch job but I don’t have a dedicated power supply from the MCB. Putting one in means knocking of tiles, taking units and chasing solid walls and potentially digging up a floor. Hence I make no apologies for trying to clarify confusing statements written by the actual manufacturer.
Re: Can I plug this Single electric oven in?
Martin, i just reread that again, the bit where is says
In the installation, there must be an all-pin isolating switch with at least 3 mm contact gap, or the appliance must be connected
using a plug with an earthing contact.I have a separate ring circuit in the kitchen with 32MCB, serving two double sockets with only a washing machine and fridge. I would have thought a 2.9KW would be fine for this. W/M is what 2.4kW at a guess and plugs are behind a unit so nothing elkse could be plugged in like a kettle
I wonder what the guide above means when they refer to plug
Re: Can I plug this Single electric oven in?
well surprisingly there is a Neff one for £380 so was going to get that. Should be ok I think 🙂
Re: Can I plug this Single electric oven in?
thanks for checking martin
I rang Neff and they said all their oven’s have to be on a dedicated circuit (which I don’t have). Are they just covering themselves? I am confused now, as its 2.9KW which is similar to many other ovens, does that mean all electric ovens on this power supply need to be on a dedicated circuit? What am, I missing here?
I suppose the real question is: what oven should I buy for around £400 that is a good build quality and can be plugged in? Not interested in any fancy cooking settings, just reliability
Thanks Martin
PS: I will be getting all my spare parts from you chaps from now on!
Re: Fan oven element – difference in prices?
shoot, thanks for checking Dave, (Ican you cancel my order for the element or should I phone you – don’t need it any more now sorry)
at this stage I will just get a new oven
Lesson learnt: never clean the oven! 😀
Re: Fan oven element – difference in prices?
yeah that would be brilliant K, thank you, the inner door is fine so just outer door. The springs were on the way out too as was the seal, In any case, I think it will be too expensive so might just get a new oven.
PS: I sent an email cancelling the order of the element, if someone could cancel that, it would be great until we decide what’s the best course of action
Re: Fan oven element – difference in prices?
ok and now you have another bit of business. 😳
Do I have to replace the whole door? I don’t see a replacement part on the website? :hmm:
