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F*****G MARTIN!
I honestly thought he’d croaked as he’s been missing for months and months but apparently not.
And he winds up on the first post with his contrary bullsh1t.
K.
Problem is, there aren’t enough people that care so the market gets driven down that road.
And, without intervention it will just end up like toasters and kettles, they’re throwaway completely as many already are.
And it still doesn’t solve the problem of, they don’t actually do what you are buying them to do, clean laundry. Unless you enjoy wandering about in mucky clothes but that’s a personal choice I guess.
K.
gimpymoo wrote:That article is over 5 years old, I understand the basics of the article are still valid but have things changed over the years?
Not really, no.
Other than as Don says manufacturers going down that road for energy use requirements. People will just be forced to accept it.
K.
To be honest, I’d not bother with a heat pump dryer as for most people it’s not worth the bother. Why is explained here:
https://www.ukwhitegoods.co.uk/help/buying-advice/tumble-dryers/3845-are-heat-pump-dryers-worth-it
K.
Gokhk wrote:The fact sadly remains that if the OP doesn’t want to take my approach or pay £2000 then there is little other choice , perhaps direct your sarky comments at manufacturers rather than individual like me.
It’s not intended that way.
All in the trade get utterly frustrated at people and, I could stop there but won’t on this topic. 😉
The reason we all get so exasperated about this is we constantly have people harping on about how **** machines are, don’t work well, break yadda yadda then atop that you can’t fix them.
And it’s ever so easy to point the finger of blame at manufacturers and say it’s all their fault but the truth is, it’s not.
It is the buying public’s fault.
Not enough people care, not enough are willing to pay the money for a good machine and in droves all over the world, people have constantly sought and migrated to the cheapest possible option on the false presumption that they’re all the same.
To the point where quality manufacturers have all but disappeared as, making good products they can’t compete with the cheap junk but are **FORCED** into doing so in order to survive and, indeed, many have not or have been bought by a bigger fish in the pond. Then sold as a “good brand” when it’s junk in a dress.
Now we’re at a point where and, every single trade member will know this one, we are asked by people what’s the best machine to buy and we sorta go, “uhm, err… dunno, they’re all c**p”.
Manufacturers didn’t just think, oh you know what, let’s make garbage… no, they were forced by the market to make garbage.
The people doing the forcing are the people that are buying.
It is not an individual, but a collective mentality.
There are essentially two ways to break that, by changing people’s perceptions forcing them to demand better and manufacturers will cater to that or, by legislation.
To change people’s “buy cheaper” mentality ain’t happening so, legislation it is and that may start to happen because of the Right To Repair stuff but, that’s just the start of a long road.
K.
And that is part of the reason that you can’t get really good quality machines any longer, many people simply take the view that it’s more cost-effective to buy cheap and toss them when done. Damn the environment.
Manufacturers play to that and as more and more people take that road, the more manufacturers do.
Here’s the thing though that many people may not consider, those cheap machines do not actually perform all that well.
After all, what is the point of a washing machine, why do people buy one?
It is to clean their laundry items.
How many buyers actually consider the wash results that they are to get, how well the machine cares for the hundreds and all too often thousands of pounds worth of clothing that you want cleaned in it? I suspect most just look at the price, the looks, the features (whatever matters) and the stupid energy stuff.
To presume that they all perform the same is naive at best as they most certainly do not and the cheaper end of the market, some are shockingly bad at cleaning. So you could well end up tossing hundreds of pounds worth of clothing that’s not washed correctly (bad for your finances, bad for the environment) and tossing machines (bad for your finances, bad for the environment) as well as wandering about in poorly cleaned laundry, sleeping in it, drying yourself with it and the obvious, in the current pandemic, hygiene issues that are raised.
Personally, I would prefer a machine that actually does what it is intended to do than some cheap junk that does not.
The laugh is, most buyers would never know, like some other things (bagless cleaners anyone?) it’s not till you use a good one that you actually see and realise the vast gulf of a difference between cheap junk that pretends to do the job and a machine that actually does.
K.
Anyone will need the full model sand probably product or service code to look see what it even is, the names and catalogue numbers Ikea uses is for sales only and is meaningless to service really.
It’s explained here:
K.
Jeez, that’s old!
The paf file is the Postal Address File that cannot be updated any longer at all by any means so far as I am aware.
I used it for many years, stopped using it oh, a decade or so ago.
K.
HTM has been doing that for ages, on Amazon as well and ripping the prices sometimes even cheaper than we could buy from them so eventually with that and other things I told them to close our account.
Bad enough having to compete with non-trade suppliers let alone having your own suppliers undercut you and, the point has been stressed to others as well by myself and other people.
K.
Ultimately…
This has to happen.
You can argue the sky is pink, green, falling… whatever. It doesn’t matter. You can say global warming is a conspiracy, untrue or even created by an alien reptile race that has taken over… whatever.
It’s irrelevant.
Fact is, we use too much stuff. We dump too much stuff. What stuff we do have we (in the West especially) take not enough care of it as getting new stuff is too easy and too cheap, which feeds the cycle of using too much in a consumerist driven society.
And that eats resources.
We only have so much resources and, they ain’t making no more. Well, at least till we find another planet(s) to wreck, we only have this one.
If that sounds too hippy or Extinction Rebellion for you, soz, you’ve not been paying attention as I’ve been saying this since long before it became a fashion statement as anyone that ever got me started on the topic will know well and, likely have my “colourful” commentary of the topic ringing about in their head.
And, I have long said that this is good for you guys, repairers. Not just for appliances but for pretty much anything.
Fact is that many a business has chosen to restrict the ability to effect repairs and some maliciously have done so and, for me, that’s just a big no-no. I don’t mind them doing a lot of things they do, they have to and I get it but to deliberately prevent repair or hinder it, for me, is toxic and all the more so where others may be able to when they cannot or, don’t want to.
All the fluff, barriers like the programmed modules and so forth are symptoms of the disease, not the disease itself.
I could wax on for hours on this topic, or days. But I won’t.
The solution is appliances (in our world) that products are made to perform the function they are intended for and be durable and repairable. You know, like many used to be.
Which gets you back to, the parts and information have to be available to ensure they are repairable as one aspect of that.
K.
