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Re: Correct Dosing for powder?
The Siemens mentioned using half the recommended amount for the first service wash – it foamed like mad!
The JLWM1414 didn’t, but I did – that foamed a lot.From these two examples I formed a theory that the amount of detergent is governed by two things: some for the ‘machine’ (water) and some for the laundry. Each varies according to the hardness of the water, amount of water, amount of laundry and amount/type of soiling.
My water is of medium hardness but has the advantage of not building up scale – it gets a thin layer then falls off. The powder (Ecover) says 65ml for soft water, 85 for medium and 110 for hard, with an increase for 6/7kg machines (but nothing about such machines with low loads).
The Bio-D liquid has 50ml for medium water and ordinary soiling.Working on about 20ml of powder for the machine (as 30ml over-foamed), I use 60 – 65ml and the results are good. If I had a load of 5kg or lower I would reduce the amount pro-rata.
Residual detergent is a contaminant and can be worse than the original soiling – if not as smelly!
Re: Siemens WM14Y590GB
Sorry for delay – haven’t been here for a while.
JL bore the cost of taking back the Siemens and offering a replacement (with any +/- adjustment on price).
New one arrives on Tuesday. It’s JL’s 8kg machine – during my period of indecision (partly due to strongly considering an ISE then rejecting it due to the lack of a Cotton 30 wash and also the dictat re. detergents, none of which suit me) the price dropped by £50.Yes, it’s the dreaded AEG/Zanussi etc. group, but I’m hoping that, with a 3-year warranty, it’ll be OK. I’ve saved up some laundry so that I can give it a couple of loads inside the first 7 days to see if it’s got some hope of being OK.
Re: Siemens WM14Y590GB
Well, I do hope that yours works OK. Please let us know, after you’ve tried it a few times.
Re: Siemens WM14Y590GB
My experience could well be atypical, but see this:-
washing-machine-forum/saga-siemens-wm14y590gb-t83398.htmlSorry!
Re: Yet another "New machine" topic
I was looking at the ISE W256W, which seems to be the latest one as, apart from the “Eco” model, it’s the only one on the site. The capacity is stated as 60li.
The article on load size is very interesting and reinforces what I thought about loading. I reckon that the max. practicable load in a 65li is about 5 – 6kg depending on material.
I don’t know for certain, but I’ve got an impression that there is a sort of ‘break point’ on loading (perhaps more than one), where there’s a step increase in water for a small increase in load. This might not be so nowadays, but I did notice with the old AEG that a change in load had an effect on the weekly consumption (I can tell within about +-10li what I’ve used in a week if the washing machine hasn’t been used).
The only time I’ve done less than 3kg was to (re)proof some trousers on which the DWR seemed to be hydrophilic!
Yesterday I went in to C***ys to measure some AEGs: the 8 and 9kg are the same size; the 7kg is the same diameter but has a shallower drum.
Given the comments in the article re. the disadvantages of max. dia. drums, it looks as if even the smaller (by today’s standards) drums have gone the wrong way – keeping the depth and reducing the diameter would be better.Re: Yet another "New machine" topic
don wrote:Hi
The way I see this is BSH are a no go because of past experience and AEG are not fitting the bill that leaves you with two options.It’s a pity about AEG (but I’m still tempted as they are not as bad as many other makes).
Miele have been making quality products for many years, good build quality, all machines will come with a two year warranty some will come with either a five or ten year promotional warranty. Longevity of life is a good ten years however some questions are being asked in certain quarters if they really will last twenty odd years. Expensive spare and service is restricted to Miele service in the main as they will not release any info to any independent service engineer.
I’d want at least a 10-year warranty on a Miele.
I do <100 washes a year, so it should see me out!Second option you could consider is the ISE range of machines. These appliances were brought about by some of the engineers on this site who between them have decades of experience. In turn a good existing manufacturer was sought and who better than Asko who are a high quality manufacturer in Scandinavia. A little more than the entry level Miele machine but will come with a ten year guarantee parts and labour as standard, the engineer who installs the machine will also be the one to visit in the event they are needed, parts are cheaper and no call centre to phone.
I looked at ISE, but the size of the drum (60li) is only 20{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} up on the old AEG – I reckon, based on experience, that 10li/kg is the minimum (6.3kg of cotton in the “8”kg Siemens wasn’t leaving much room.
Also, ISE seems to have some problems, like a machine with a borked PCB being a write-off because the PCB wasn’t made any more.Don
Re: Yet another "New machine" topic
I can understand that. I chose Siemens as its part of the Axis and the machines are well-made (well, the detergent drawer on the Siemens is a bit flimsier than the coffee tray on a PC; my neighbour’s cheap Hotpoint has a better design of drawer that feels as if it could be used as a step) and the Bosch tools seem to be good.
However, if I were to have a Bosch, any problems would be handled by BSH and we now have ‘history’. I’m not impressed by BSH – yes, they turn up, have all the right kit etc. but don’t seem capable of any logical diagnosis from known facts. Do it by rote and if that doesn’t work there’s no fault. I also don’t like their treatment of JL – when faced with evidence, refuse to see it.
Oh hell, what now?Re: Yet another "New machine" topic
I might have stayed with BSH but for the brick wall – head experience: it’s nice when you stop. I have several Bosch tools and they seem OK and I’ve not yet had to call on Bosch’s service.
JL gives a 3-year warranty on its own brand. There was an AEG next to the JL 8kg machine and the booklets (“manual” seems grandiose) were rather similar, as were the beater bars (?) and some other details.
I’m popping in to MK tomorrow to have a look at them – the web site has a rather worrying “new in” by the 2 models, so they could be Hotpoint by now!
Re: A saga of Siemens (WM14Y590GB)
Yes indeed!
As for BSH, the chap was allowed 30 min. to find a fault that happens about 1h 40m or longer into the cycle, so not much chance there.
It seems to be that absence of evidence = evidence of absence, i.e. no fault found is the same as no fault present. The fact that the machine doesn’t work properly…
