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Re: Old Hoover Logic thermostat required

Glad to know these are not obsolete. I also have an old Logic A3586 which is catering for a family of four. Surprisingly energy efficient and reliable it is too… Famous last words!

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Re: Hotpoint 95490 drum direction

Good morning Gents,
Thanks so much for looking into this problem in such depth. I took the timer out of the machine last night.

Geoff, yes please to a timer; please would you send me a PM confirming how much you would like for it, whether or not you can post it out and if it’s new, or S/H.

A big thanks again ukwhitegoods.

R

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Re: Hotpoint 95490 drum direction

Thanks guys. My timer has 904/2199/03 printed on it!! Would the /05 one do? What’s the difference I wonder?

Thanks again for all your input 🙂

R

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Re: Hotpoint 95490 drum direction

Thanks guys – just wanted to double-check that there may not be another cause (other than wiring).

One more request – does anyone have the part number for a new timer? The prices do not look too bad, so it is worth repairing the machine, I think, rather than dumping it.

R

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Re: Hotpoint 95490 drum direction

Thanks Dave. In your experience, is there a likelihood it could be the module?

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Re: Hoover Logic 1200 A3786

I managed to patch up the backplate on my Logic with Chemical metal, which has worked well. Unless the whole thing falls to pieces, don’t worry to much but the bearings are a litte tricky.

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Re: Hotpoint 1509/10 transmission oil type

Thanks for the interesting discussion Gents – sad that there’s no clarification on what the original spec oil might be.

I’ll try some classic car transmission oil EP80/90, without any soft metal eating additives and see what happens. The old oil is rather black and generally minging but it’s been in there for over 35 years…

R

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Re: How can heavy restriction of repair information be legal

As a response to Martin’s useful reply, I did not mean that the public needs to complain to change legislation (you are bang-on, many are apathetic, so it would not get very far) but the repair industry needs some kind of trade body that might be able to pull together to make something happen, possibly using some of the arguments that I have indicated already.

The other point about legislation is not aimed at the repairers but at the OEs (manufacturers) to share technical information and training. Potentially, that should decrease repair costs and should increase the possibility of an appliance being repaired.

As Kwatt says, the whitegoods industry seems to be far more monopolised than the motor industry (and there are parallels, as explained already).

Looking forward, can you see a future for independent repairers, unless something is done to break down what appears to be a monopoly?

R

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Re: How can heavy restriction of repair information be legal

Gentlemen,
It’s a Monday morning and I have a severe case of man-flu, so sorry if I ramble a bit…

Thank-you for your kind replies and for educating me about the repair industry.

I am not claiming to know more about your profession that you. Having considered the replies to my original post, I still think that the motor car and whitegoods repair industries are closer-related than is imagined.

While I agree that whitegoods have become increasingly ‘shoddily’ made, they have also become more complicated. Have cars gone the same way? Yes, I think that they have, although to a far lesser extent. I view the pinnacle of automotive reliability (including rust protection) as residing in the late 1990s. Since then, dependability has gone downhill, overall. Fuel injector, turbocharger, DPF, EGR issues were all virtually unheard of 15-20 years-ago. Even bumpers, headlamps etc have become considerably flimsier, although that is for other reasons that just cost-cutting.

Likewise, the electronics, within a typical washing machine, have become so much more complex and the software coding information seems to be held tightly to the manufacturers’ chests. As mentioned before, this has been outlawed in relation to the automotive sector. Therefore, has a legal precedent been set, I wonder?

However, if the tools were available more freely to independent repairers, would this benefit both repairer and consumer, by making the repair easier to diagnose and quicker? It certainly is a help with cars but, if you do not have the tool, you are at the mercy of someone who does. Thankfully, this is not always the main dealer. – but it seems to be with washer makers.

Another difference appears to be that separate whitegoods makers have diverse codes and socket profiles, so is making a single diagnostic tool to interrogate all washing machines, fridges et al almost impossible? Is that a fair assumption?

Like car makers, I understand that whitegood manufacturers are also multi-billion pound conglomerates, with global reaches. Single companies also own multiple brand names, Indesit/Hotpoint, Candy/Hoover et al, which is the same with motor cars, Tata/JLR, VW/SEAT/Audi/Skoda etc. However, the waste situation differs slightly, in that cars are comprehensively de-polluted and recycled –but are washing machines, etc, with their virtually non-recyclable outer plastic tubs? I think that this is where the mantra of making such appliances easier to repair has a fair argument.

I agree that whitegoods consumers might not voice their dissatisfaction with the same volume as those of car owners but is there a trade body, (maybe UK Whitegoods can do this), which can pump out press releases, to help inform and cajole the public and, possibly, influence legislation? Maybe naming and ‘shaming’ manufacturers might work, after they are given a fair right-to-reply, of course. Is your repair talent becoming obsolete?

Surprisingly, a ‘mechanic’ can also walk out of a supermarket checkout job and into a garage to work on someone’s brakes. Mechanics qualifications tend to be voluntary – you do not actually need them for a job – unless some kind of qualification is required by an establishment’s public liability insurance policy. Basically, any one of us could set up as an independent mechanic/car salesman tomorrow. Again, another parallel.

Car makers also train their own technicians but, get this, an OE training centre that I know also trains mechanics of their fleet customers. I will see if I can find out if there is a legal obligation for this. Also, with mechanics/garages, any regulation is voluntary at the moment, excepting the statutory legal rights of the customer, Sales of Goods Act 1979, et al.

Finally, here’s an argument that you might view as a little hard to justify but hear me out. I agree that a new car possesses a higher ticket price than a typical whitegood. Yet, the average age of a car in the UK is around 7 years-old. This may make the average insured value around £5,000. If you tot-up the insured value of all whitegoods in a typical domestic household (all of which tend to be newer), I wouldn’t be surprised if you get moderately close to this figure.

R

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Re: Old Hoover Logic thermostat required

Thanks everyone for your offer of help…

Muv, I do appreciate you having a look; thank-you.

I took the back off the old thermostat and the actual contact strip is broken, so sadly, a quick clean-up won’t do the trick. Bu**er.

Do let me know how you get on and, if anyone has a used/new part gathering dust on an old shelf, I’d be interested…

Also, would a two-stage 30/40 thermostat from another, more modern machine fit?

R

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Re: Old Hoover Logic thermostat required

Well, I called apart4u this morning, to double-check whether or not their website is telling porkies.

After checking; nope, the thermostat is not in stock and they cannot get one from their suppliers.

Any more suggestions gratefully received…

R

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Re: Old Hoover Logic thermostat required

Not that I am ungrateful though for you looking 🙂 Thank-you.

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Re: Old Hoover Logic thermostat required

Thanks Don; the German site is basically the same company as Partmaster, as are quite a few other spares sites it seems.

Once the part is added in the basket, it says that the part is out of stock 🙁

R

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Re: Old Hoover Logic thermostat required

Thanks Don. Been there, done that and nope, it is not in stock 🙁

R

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Re: 1980’s washer buying advice

Thank-you so much for your replies and advice.

The consensus I get is the V696 is a liked machine. I am not surprised. It is beautifully made inside, with a stainless outer drum and cast iron weights, instead of concrete. It was a machine I saved from scrap, after the door was snapped off by a set of ‘little darlings’, the parents of whom rented my Grandmother’s house after she died. I knew how little use the machine got for the first 15 years of its life, which is why I repaired it. It was our daily washer for six months, as I dragged my heels changing the brushes in our newer Bosch…

The other advantage the V696 has is that is doubles-up as a dryer. OK, the drying part is hopelessly inefficient but it would be better than nothing, if our modern dryer (a Creda TVR2) packs in. Hence this is why I will not throw it away, as I have the space in which to store it.

To elaborate a little, my work involves my overalls getting caked in old oil, grime and grease; plus I test various cleaning/polishing products and so cloths saturated with such chemicals have to go in as well. Using a laundrette is a no-go, mainly because it is impractical and time consuming to get clothes to-and-from the shop.

Yet, the Hotpoint would cost me about £20.00 in total, including collection, it works perfectly and is cosmetically smart. However, is the 15790/15792 a piece of junk? Can it not wash as well?

Thanks for the advice on duvets and point taken. However, I do need to wash blankets every now and then – the Bosch can just about handle them but it tends to go ‘walkies’, which cannot do much for its longevity. The other problem I have with the Bosch (well, it is more a problem with me, rather than the machine) is that the pump gets locked up with various nasties that come out of my pockets. At least I can access the pump easily though, by removing one screw and the whole lower panel comes off.

So any positives about getting the Hotpoint, before I abandon the idea totally, permitting the current owner to condemn it to the tip?

Thanking you again. ?

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