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There’s some water goes back into the drum to keep it cool Evren, that’s normal on a Candy washer dryer. It should only be a trickle from a restricted valve.
K.
Martin wrote:
The vent goes to the dispenser but the water should not flow in that direction as it acts only as an air break.
MartinI still couldnt figure out why there would be such connection. After the inlet, the pipe is connected to a Y shaped connector and one pipe goes to dispenser and the other to the condensation chamber.
The thing is that one pipe is connected to the top of the dispenser and the other is connected to the bottom and water falls from top to bottom and then goes to the water pump direct(to the front hole of the water pump). Perhaps they wanted to cool down the dispenser? But the pipe going to the dispenser is smaller so most of the water is going to condensation chamber.
Anyhow, I was just wondering about it. I never thought that inside the washing machine would be so much exciting stuff 🙂
Thanks again,
EvrenRe: candy alise 105 changing bearings
It may be to flush the condensor, many years ago the Hotpoint washer dryer had a severe problem with damp fluff blocking the condensor, so much so that the washing came out of the drying cycle soaking wet. To cure this problem the cold fill was split with a ‘Y’ piece to divert some water through the condensor to keep it flushed clean.
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Evren,
Your curiousity I can reward by explaining that the reason Candy put a ‘Y’ connection in line with the water inlet to the condenser is NOT for cooling the dispenser during drying but rather ‘sealing it off’ from the drying cycle. The ‘U’ shaped dispenser to tub hose is filled with the small trickle of water effectively sealing the warm wet moist air from entering the dispenser cavity.
Martin
P.S Similar reason on Hotpoint machines too having a U shaped dispenser hose 😉
That’s not what Candy told me Martin. It is there to ensure a certain amount of moisture is in the tank to save it from overheating, hence the pump pulses on and off to drain away any excess. 😉
K.
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Martin wrote:Evren,
Your curiousity I can reward by explaining that the reason Candy put a ‘Y’ connection in line with the water inlet to the condenser is NOT for cooling the dispenser during drying but rather ‘sealing it off’ from the drying cycle. The ‘U’ shaped dispenser to tub hose is filled with the small trickle of water effectively sealing the warm wet moist air from entering the dispenser cavity.
Martin
P.S Similar reason on Hotpoint machines too having a U shaped dispenser hose 😉
Oops, I missed the part of Evren’s post in which he referred to the “drying cycle”. I was thinking about normal cold fill. In fact my last job today was unblocking the ‘U’ bend (congealed detergent) in a fairly recent Hotpoint W/D inlet hose. It would more accurate to call the plastic connector that is used to divert a small trickle into the dispenser on the early Hotpoint, during drying as a ‘K’ piece.
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Sorry Martin, I didn’t have time to explain as it was explained to me earlier today…
The U bend that you refer to would stay filled with water (or should) after a single fill if you think about it. There is no requirement to cool the dispenser as not enough heat reaches it, or at least it shouldn’t.
The reason that water is taken in on a trickle is to cool the clothing in the drum as well as the drum itself. The problem is that you get a “cascade” effect of heat in the tub when there is no reduction in temperature and the cool water increases the condesate effect within the condensate chamber.
(Don’t ask me, I didn’t come up with this, Candy did :?)
So the machine takes in a constant trickle of water on dry, the heavily restricted valve with the (usually) little blue resrictor is constantly energised during the dry cycle and the pump drains on a 12 minute cycle, if memory serves me correctly, to clear the extracted moisture and the intake. Although I think on the Turbo series the pump ran constantly and that’s why I’d never fit a pump without a TOC in it as the cheapo ones used to overheat and go on fire, nice eh? Bear in mind it’s over seven years since I looked at one of these things.
Apparently this ensures that the clothing doesn’t scorch, which was a huge problem on early washer dryers, and that they actually dry, it always struck me as insane that you needed water intake to dry stuff, but there you go. The problem in a washer dryer of course being the small drum as opposed to a pukka dryer, with loads of bits that have to seal in water that are also pretty effective at keeping in heat as well as a double skin drum/outer tank assy which nicely soak up and retain heat. In a normal dryer of course things are a tad different and they are a lot more efficient at what they do.
I don’t know if that’s clear, but it all made sense at the time. 😕
K.
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I definatly remember the late Mel Barff explaining that the water was for the reason Martin said, as, if it wasnt constantly replenished the water in the u bend would evaporate or even be may have been lost altogether during a violent spin. and steam would emerge from there. The other water in the condenser would spray down then be collected by a small lip on the condenser tub seal whcih promoted capilary action inside the tub. Older verions didnt have this lip (Or when serviced, too much silicon/debor would seal the slot) and often the water splashed through the holes in the drum and made the washing wet again.
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Yeah Mel was a star, a real one-off.
TBH I can’t remember who at Candy told me that, just that they did and I took it at face value. :con:
K.
Well, the machine works fine so far. I just came by to see anything new is going on at this thread. I probably will come back after 6-12 months and let you all know if it still works or the bearings got broken again as some have predicted. Interesting waiting time 🙂
I thought the U bend was for better mixing of the washing powder while entering the machine. However Martin’s explanation sounds perfectly reasonable but one thing. There is already a straight hole on the top of the drum which is connected directly to outside from behind the drum. So if I was hot air, I would try that hole instead of going to the closed dispenser chamber. 🙂
The pump works all the time at drying cycle.
kwatt wrote:
The reason that water is taken in on a trickle is to cool the clothing in the drum as well as the drum itself. The problem is that you get a “cascade” effect of heat in the tub when there is no reduction in temperature and the cool water increases the condesate effect within the condensate chamber.Right, water is taken into the machine all the time at drying cycle. Because it should cool down the air and catch the moisture while going through the condensation chamber then go out with the moisture. However this doesnt explain why the Y splitter is there. I doubt it would have any cooling effect since the water is merely dripping down.
So, in the end, Martin’s explanation is the most sound and logical one. 🙂
Evren
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Good news so far then Evren.
Teh water, IIRC, goes in to produce excess steam and stop a cascade heat effect on the stainless outer tank. If you think about it on dry there’s no reason for that U-bend to empty so there has to be another explanation for it as that’s just not logical but I can’t remember what it is. 😕
K.
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……..once the Dispenser is sealed off as explained in my last post. The hot dry air enters the drum at the front, forcing hot moist air from the clothes and down towards the rear condenser inlet.
Meanwhile a cooling trickle of cold water passes through the condenser matrix, enters the drum and is immediately pumped away. Allowing the hot moist air to enter the larger ducting section of the condenser matrix and as it rises through the chamber, cools rapidly and dries as it enters the fan chamber and through the heating elements….. the process continues on a timed basis…….!
The hose at the back of the Candy Alise series drum is called a “Steam Drain Hose” and unlike the ‘closed’ system other manufacturers adopt as the norm, allows excess steam to escape the confines of the smaller, less efficient drum cavity.
Hello everybody…
The machine in question is still working in perfect order but the program timer is not working 100{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} correctly. But it has been used almost everyday since the change of the drum bearings and it has no extra noises etc. while turning the drum.
I know that previously people were against getting a new timer for a machine which the drum was failing but the drum seems to be working fine now so is there anybody who knows if it is possible to find a new timer? I can provide an address in UK to ship it to etc. I think the finding it is the difficult part.
From what I figure out the timer model numbers are below:
CROUZET 2000/2008-3163
Original Code -> 92745272The pictures of the timer are available at:
http://master.titol.fi/~yurtesen/CIMG0705.JPG
http://master.titol.fi/~yurtesen/CIMG0706.JPG
http://master.titol.fi/~yurtesen/CIMG0707.JPG
http://master.titol.fi/~yurtesen/CIMG0709.JPG
http://master.titol.fi/~yurtesen/CIMG0710.JPGThe timer is still functioning 95{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} efficiently but it would be nice to have a spare at hand before it fails completely 🙂
Thanks,
Evren
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