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Re: DASA!
I think Jason has said it, in that we are all honour bound to give it one last big push to see if we can make it work.
Let’s face it we wanted to see the back of the CH because he had ceased to function, well the guy has gone ! so lets at least give it a go to see if it can be resurected and it can only be done by everyone lending a helping hand. We will all see just how serious people are by how many turn up at Sheffield to look for an unpaid job.Regards as ever Sean
No I think it’s worth a bit of effort, don’t get me wrong, to at least try to revive it.
What I’m struggling to understand is, what is it?
Under CH it was a (IMO unrealistic) standards driven thing with legal bits tacked onto it and a bit of information being passed about. IMHO DASA did little else for anyone under his leadership.
Now where is DASA headed, what is it to be, what are the goals?
K.
Possibly this question should be open to the whole association?
Let someone else give us their feelings rather than them being “guided”
Sad but true…
Oldtog’s post I think did more harm than good, nicely saved by a drop of the truth from Ted. But it doesn’t exactly encourage any allegience to DASA does it?
I still wonder what Martin told him. 😕
K.
I know just read the post’s tried to smooth it over a bit by throwing it open to all.
Whilst the truth is generally a good think not always good to hang out the dirty washing too early as it may frighten some of the possibilities away.
No idea what Martin said
Re: DASA!
Okay so I guess I better explain my actions of today then with the DASA post. I said explain, not apologise as I will make no apology for speaking the truth as I see it.
DASA is going nowhere.
Scott really go on my nerves the other day with the cross-posting, that’s just plain naughty and I deleted the second post but kept my gob shut. For some reason today over the Alan Crossan thing I just snapped, had enough of it. After all teh comments about the fact that the DASA forum had to be more formal that UKW he makes a flippant remark about a poor bugger that nearly lost his life in an accident, hardly congenial to being “formal”.
So today I just though, “fuck it” let’s get it out in the open and see what happens and I was SO close to posting that in an open forum, I’m still considering it TBH.
Now I’ll qualify the first comment.
DASA has done sweet fuck all since the last meeting, virtually no traffic on the UKW forums, barring Scott’s blatent propoganda to make it look as if there’s traffic. There’s been no emails from almost anyone. There’s been no appointment of someone to run it nor even any talk of it. There’s been hardly any traffic on Dasanet, other than organising meetings. When the meetings happen no-one seems to see through what they are supposed to be going to do. And to cap it all we have the fiasco that is Orbit (which Dave and I put a lot of work into), with Scott supposedly not getting a copy even although I know that to be totally untrue!
So, it’s dead…no resusitation required if you ask me. Just cover the grave and let’s get on with doing something more constructive.
K.
For the benefit of Kevin here’s the post:
Scott we are all only too aware of the dasanet address because you’ve pushed it at every concievable opportunity along with the secretary email address and, TBH, I’m sick seeing it. This is despite using it straight off the Helpdesk on UKW and the information scattered all over UKW! Also, posting using copy and paste, as you did the other day, I regard as spamming, that’s why I deleted the duplicate posts. I should hazard that you’ve had little or no response to these posts because, frankly, no-one appears to be in the least bit interested in DASA, including it’s own members.
Despite spending almost a year on the council and seeing the removal of Chris I’ve yet to see DASA move forward. Or in fact, to move at all. It’s a sloth from a dead age where cowboys were the major problem that the industry faced, the industry has changed and DASA has not.
I had thought that with the removal of Chris that things would improve, I haven’t seen anything happen, all I’ve seen is the odd, “we need something for the agenda” well how about you discuss the future of DASA?
Where is it going? What is it going to do? What is DASA’s role to be? Will it survive? Is it worth continuing with it?
These fundemental questions have never been addressed in so far as I can see and are probably not liable to be either.
And yet despite the situation that DASA finds itself in a council meeting was “postponed” due to a work providers meeting that just happened to coincide with that date. How many members were actually affected by that I wonder, since I happen to know that most of the council is either not involved with NESN or has resigned? That was why I was a tad miffed at that, whether I was attending or not. But in any case I had left my options open and had a flight booked in advance with FlyBE to go if I had the time, useless exercise that turned out to be eh? How many others had made arrangements only to have that little golden goodie sprung on them a week or so before the date?
In the past nine months we’ve seen change with DASA but nothing to write home about, or anything that should not have been addressed a very long time ago IMO. I do not anticipate any major changes in the next few months to alter my current opinion of the association, which is, that it is as good as dead.
To that end I will not be a council member next year as I simply will not be a member, I am not splashing out my cash on an organisation that is producing no results and seemingly has no direction, aims or goals whatsoever. In addition to which I am too busy with UK Whitegoods now as well as my own business that I will not be able to devote much, if any, time to the organisation.
And before somone comes back with the tired old, “but it promotes quality”, that’s utter rubbish in this day and age, if you’re not good enough to do the job you won’t survive in this modern age. This besides the fact that the Code Of Practice instigated by Chris, who had absolutely no hands-on experience in this industry, is almost totally unworkable in the real world.
The other one of, “ah, but it’s what you don’t see us doing” is cr@p as well, show us, even the council members seem to have no idea what’s going on a fair bit.
DASA doesn’t even have anyone leading it at the moment as most of the officers and the chairman are too busy and, quite rightly, with their own respective businesses to devote the time required to run DASA. This was a concern voiced by Kevin at the last council meeting and it has come to pass as fact now.
I will not post this in the more public trade forums for now and give DASA a chance to prove me wrong, but I seriously doubt it will or even has the cabability to organise itself to do so.
That’s the second time in two days I’ve had to control myself from posting one that would get me flamed!
K.
Re: DASA!
I may have done it for you Ken.
BTW Ken, you have my permission to quote my thoughts into the WR for those souls who have the sense not to be Dasa members and want to know what my sentiments are. Go for it.
I can’t be assed, it is 11.50 p.m. and Iv’e loads to do. Good-night.
Alex
Okay Mark, Flipper & JP can you please get the idiots that keep posting the same thing over and over to chuck it!I’m not just talking about UKW either, two emails this afternoon about the same meeting as well as 3 posts on UKW and at least 2 from memory on DASAnet, I mean that just makes it look as if it’s desperate!
I tried to kill that in the first post when I had pop at Scott about the constant “please email me”, why? Is he lonely or something? I mean really it’s getting silly and starting to look like pleas for attention rather than information.
In fact “cross-posting” as it is known is seriously frowned upon in the internet community and Scott of all people, as he is a webmaster, should know that and know it’s taboo. Which indicates to me, again along with other gems, that he has not the experience or knowledge to run a web forum. But that wasn’t my call thankfully. If he tries that on a site run by net-nazis he’ll at best get flamed, but probably banned from using the forum.
It is unproffessional, looks bad even to people unaware of the netiquitte of it and just regarded as spam, therefore ignored as will his posts be as they all contain the same old tired information and therefore loose weight.
If you really want to get a message across come up with imaginative ways to do it, or stage the release of the information so that you get more than one bite of the cherry and people keep reading to see what’s going on. But that takes planning and a moderate amount of intelligence. 😆
K.
Re: DASA!
I’ve been following this thread with interest and although at the moment outside of Dasa membership, it does not mean that i’ve washed my hands of Dasa.
Whilst some are pissed off and others are supportive the whole concept of Dasa is long ago lost in the bye gone days.
What was the only force in this trade has, gone. Dasa today is nothing(in terms of a trade association) as its incapable of changing a single piece of legislation either now or in the future. It is not up to speed on the change within the industry, has no teeth, has little in the way of leadership( and i include the present chairman in that ) has little prospect of being taken seriously come October when the present chairman steps down. Its all down at the moment and without serious guidance, a stratagy for increasing membership, professional leadership, expert backing of knowledegable council members who can commit time and effort to supporting the leader, its going to stay in the down position. Individually those Dasa members of this forum are up to speed and you assert your knowledge, time and experience into your own businesses…and quite rightly so.
However none of you are in a position to do it for Dasa…….and the rallying cry for one more big effort is great,,,but too late.
Fundamentals….
1) Unless you get professional leadership Dasa is lost.
2) if you are not prepared to fund that help by paying an increase in your subscription, Dasa is lost.
3) With no ideas on how to improve your street cred, Dasa is lost.Sorry guys, if you can come up with a plan to put Dasa back on the right track without inward investment and taking on a full time leader, I for one will applaude you all and sing your praises. In reality you will be in this position in 3 months time, in 6 months time and in 12 months time but with fewer and fewer members and once your finance dissapears…Dasa is lost
kevin
Re: DASA!
100{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} agreed a dynamic leader is required.
The sort of person would be someone who was affiliated to the trade who is prepared to “trade down” and maybe have an easier life.
Above all, someone who carries a lot of respect & is known in the trade. The only solution would be to attract someone who perhaps is at the moment unaware of a “vacancy” or maybe seeing such an opening would make that person consider applying.
What I’m getting at is, has anybody from DASA even considered advertising this post? If not, why not? I bet there is at least one person most of us could think of. Someone perhaps who knows a some of us, the industry, the manufacturers and maybe the trade as a whole. One such person who is at present in employ, or maybe taken early retirement and would like to redirect his or her skills for the benefit of the trade.
Seeing the advert in the Sunday Times for a service director of Merloni made me think, someone was doing that job before and they cannot leave the post unfulfilled, so why hasn’t DASA been pro-active in this?
What has happened to other ex high management people we once used to deal with? and have subsequently dropped off the scene. Some of them were o.k. Whether Ex Hoover, Candy, Merloni, Zanussi, Insurer/Work Provider, the list is endless.
Perhaps we should give some of our old contacts the nod.
Most of us know of at least one person that is seemingly unhappy in their present senior post, or maybe chose to get out of the rat race.
Should I post this on the DASA thread??
Only an idea.
Alex
Re: DASA!
Alex wrote:Should I post this on the DASA thread??
You may as well Alex 😉
It’s certainly an idea, and one that was mentioned before at the PKI Rotherham special meeting.
The only major problem is how much would this position command in monetary terms ?
The only solution, as Kevin mentions is to increase the membership fee, possibly substantially, I seriously doubt that most would be willing or even able to pay a higher fee, so that would knock that idea on the head. Unless of course such a person could be found to take a part time role and then would only paid a similar figure to Chris.
Are you offering to take the role Alex ? 😆
Dave.
Re: DASA!
It’s a chicken and egg situation, we are all agreed that a credible figurehead is required but there simply isnt the resources to be able to fund one at this point in time.
There is no qiuck fix answer, to a problem that was allowed to develope over years. IMHO It is not a realistic proposition to ask the remaining members to dig incredibly deep into their pockets to fund such a person.
And by Fund, I’m not just talking about salary, he would require a car and an initial hefty buget to allow him to reorganise and turn round the organisation. To ask someone to do this on a part time basis and achieve the results we would require, no matter how gifted or energetic that person was, would also be unrealistic and doomed to failure.
The only option Dasa has, is to hope that the remaining members will get more involved and to take on and share the workload between themselves for the time being, to allow the funds to build to the point where the favoured option can be considered.
I’m sorry to sound like an old scratched gramaphone record but the start point has to be communication.
The council has to use the DASA web site to inform the membership that the organisation is in dire straits and needs the help and support of the full membership to run itself in the short term. But if the council members are not seen to be active on their own site and are not willing to get the message across to full membership then i’m afraid there will be nothing that anyone can do to aviod the inevitable.Regards as ever Del
I think it best if some of the comments made here stayed here for several reasons, not least of which is that I don’t really want tarred with the being the guy that shot DASA in th head. What I attempted to do I have done.
I opened up an interesting debate and made people realise the fact that DASA has to move on and got them talking about that, which is what was was needed to spark some life into it. I also made clear that I will not let DASA stand in the way of what I want to do from now on. I have remained restrained on some issues as it would be seen as traditional DASA territory by some people and I thought I’d give DASA some time to sort itself out.
It hasn’t and doesn’t look as if it will in the near future either, if ever, so I’ll just get on with it as, unlike DASA, I don’t mind getting my hands dirty and I’m up for a fight or two. And, all I’m doing is the things that I think DASA should have been doing for years but lacked the impetous due to its leader and now no-one seems able to donate the time to it.
However, going back to the comments, what’s said in here is private and I think that the more opinionated comments should remain here. Fine if we want to thrash it out then be my guest, but to do so publically would most likely do more harm than good for everyone. Apart from which, the whole “Is it ever worth it?” thread has ended (for now) on a kinda positive note but has made a lot of infomation more available. Should the membership choose to ignore that, including the council then I’d have to agree with Kevin in that it is doomed from this point onwards.
Sean is correct, it’s a chicken and egg, without a leader it will vanish into obscurity I think and yet without funding we can’t get a leader which will only happen by raising the subscription or finding new blood. Since new blood is not going to happen sufficiently that leaves upping the fees, which will undoubtedly lead to a drop in membership.
The only way forward would be to bring something to the table that people want and, yet again, it comes back to…what’s in it for me?
K.
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