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Re: DASA!
The patient appears to be unconcious or possibly in a Persistent Vegetative State. A monthly statement saying “We’re still here and working on it” would give great assurance for those who believe in DASA. It doesn’t happen. So, do we visit its bedside and play familiar tapes in the hope of revival, or should we cut off the life support and wait for the inevitable?
I am no great lover of formal, institutionalised bodies; dinosaurs spring to mind every time. If we take on the mantle left by DASA, (assuming the worst) we may lose some of their now residual membership – say 10{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} of 130 – not many – but played correctly, we can immediatley number some 350, plus whatever may be picked up from people needing somewhere else to go.
The implications are serious – we would need to smarten up our act as far as official contact and presentation is concerned. We would need to promote our own code of conduct (Nothing wrong with it) and as far as the (visible) site is concerned appear united. Perhaps one or two OTHER forums might need to disappear below the waves.
For those of you in here who are DASA members, I’m sorry to suggest this course of action. For myself, I’m sick to death of the bickering which breaks out every time that DASA is mentioned and it just goes on and ON and ON!
Kill or cure – personally I’d opt for euthanasia.
Regards,
Chris.BTW, should opinion decide to let the patient live, leave them alone. I would suggest ABSOLUTELY alone, and we’ll see what happens.
This includes you Kev, put the pointed stick back behind the shed and just WAIT.
Chris.
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Well I’m not renewing. I publically said back in March that it was swathed in inertia, and they are too busy pontificating or doing bugger all to see the real picture.
With the staff I have it would cost me a bomb & I aint got the bloody time either. All DASA is is a secret handshake society with a high social agenda, a toothless dog.
Alex
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Penguin45 wrote:
The implications are serious – we would need to smarten up our act as far as official contact and presentation is concerned. We would need to promote our own code of conduct (Nothing wrong with it) and as far as the (visible) site is concerned appear united. Perhaps one or two OTHER forums might need to disappear below the waves.Chris.
Chris your sumation is absolutely bang on. If UKW is to “take on the mantle” as you put it. Then this site changes forever. It would no longer have the freedoms it has now as it would then be membership driven and accountable for it’s comments rather than being lead by very proactive individuals.
It would then need to speak to government on behalf of it’s members and try to get it’s COP accepted by such bodies as OFT & DTI which is a long drawn out affair, before it would be officially recognised.
The Site would also have to draw up a constitution, and vote on officers and councillors and present it’s self as a democratic organisation which as we all know slows down the decision making process.I asked this very question right back in the early day’s of this site and was told repeatedly that there was no intention of going down this route.
To my mind, when the site was then turned into a Limited company it then negated any possibility of becoming a Trade Association.It is because of these facts that I had seen the need for both UKW and DASA as seperate organisations to be working very closley together. In the early day’s UKW approached DASA council for recognition and support and although the move was not universally popular the proposition was accepted. Since that time there has been a none ending stream of criticism from UKW towards DASA. Some of the criticisum was justified and acted upon i.e. The removal of an ineffective director, review the cop, seek the views of the members, review the constitution etc.
Dasa would never be able to respond as quickly as a private company as it has to seek concensus, rather than be driven in it’s direction by an M.D.
DASA needs a very motivated and effective director to be able to communicate what it is trying to do to it’s members but with the ever decreasing membership it is less and less likely to be able to afford one.
So it limps along on the efforts of unpaid voulenteers with limited time and resources who are trying to change it.UKW does itself no favours in kicking DASA as it only alienates those members who have remained loyal to its ranks over many many years.
I personally have managed to make myself unpopular in both camps by defending one in the company of the other to the point where I almost feel the best thing to say is “A pox on both your houses ! “
If DASA fails then let it. It’s needs no assistance in it’s demise.
Sean
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Let’s get this right since Mark, Jason, Sean, Phil and others have worked to try and fix what ails DASA…
None of us really want to see it die, we’re not here to try to kill off DASA. There’s no benefit in doing so for anyone really.
The problem is there’s nothing happening, or nothing happening that anyone can see. I dunno, I just thought I’d comment that nothing was happening.
K.
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You are all jumping the gun….
This site will not become the successor to Dasa. UKW is what it is and has to stay that way.
And more importantly Dasa has not died or gone, please do not put us in the frame as its replacement.
However you guys on this forum are more than capable of re inventing Dasa if you wish.
Kevin
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My apologies Sean, I got distracted this mornign whilst posting and missed your post.
You are correct UKW will never, ever, be a trade association, full stop, end of story, the fat lady has sung the last note on that count. That does not mean to say it cannot perform some of the tasks of one though by any stretch and, UKW is a flexible thing that can change directions on a dime, to steal a Yank phrase.
I am already speaking and have spoken to government.
There is no real need for a DTI/OFT recogonised COP other than the kudos in having one as, unless it is widely promoted and publicised, the customers are unaware of it and therefore will not know WTF it is. That is the case currently with the both DASA and UKW.
There’s no way I’d have the political situation that you have within DASA, there’s better ways outside the traditional route to do that and provide more safety as well. It’s called compartmentalisation, used by terrorists but hey, they have to get something right. 😉
You are correct, this is a limited company and as such we cannot become a trade association and anyway, it would put the skids under too many projects to go down that route and you’d just end up in the same old situation.
Actually, just to correct you on one point there, UKW was approached by DASA, not the other way about. It was agreed that both working together was the best course forward by all and I still remember the roasting we got at the council meeting I was asked to attend in September of 2003 from some in DASA. This came about because I agreed to help Kevin set up the MFI thing for DASA members.
It is entirely unfair to paint UKW as the big bad wolf here as we’ve done nothing but try to help DASA through constructive critisism, I had the logo done, we did the last Orbit basically, we’ve promoted DASA meetings, we’ve promoted DASA membership and I’ve splashed DASA all over the front page of UKW… all for nothing in return! Just please remember that when you all start having a go. All we’ve done is to push DASA into action and I’ll keep pushing, either it evolves or dies, it really is that simple.
I know you don’t like anyone having a dig at DASA but really that’s people telling you what’s wrong, why they’re not happy with it etc. etc., rather than try to defend it why not do something about it? I know that some things have been done, but it has to be aired, not kept behind locked doors and there has to be progress being seen to be made, otherwise what is the impression that’s given?
You’re not unpolular Del, you still buy a round! 😆
Re-forming DASA, now there’s an interesting proposition Kev.
K.
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kwatt wrote:Re-forming DASA, now there’s an interesting proposition Kev.
Hmm, the carwash conversation 8)
Do we assume that surveillance devices don’t work in car washes?
Anyway, let’s just leave them alone. If the worst comes to the worst it’ll be natural causes.
Chris.
Penguin45 wrote:Do we assume that surveillance devices don’t work in car washes?
Just a convo I had with Kev last Friday about a Phoenix 😉
Penguin45 wrote:Anyway, let’s just leave them alone. If the worst comes to the worst it’ll be natural causes.
Agreed, you’ll not see any derogitory comments coming from me from now on, unless it directly effects me or UKW.
Dave.
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No-one’s been derogitory at all I don’t think, in fact nobody’s really had a pop at DASA other then the “what’s happening” basically or some constructive critisism.
For example, to me, the post by Andy Trigg only highlights that teh members list is not accessible easily and certainly not intuative to a customer. If someone (like or loath him) like that with his experience of using the internet cannot find it then what hope is there for most of the numpties out there?
But then I take the comments and turn them into something positive instead of whining about how negative people are being and there’s no offence intended in that, it’s a human reaction to the comments. The problem is that the second that DASA is mentioned immediately hackles go up and the DASA Tribe go on the defensive immediately, very often coming across very poorly indeed.
An example of this is found in the Dave Pannel post where he had a good old pop at Kevin on a very personal level, basically slurring his character and answering none of the points raised in any way. He’s the supposed press officer for DASA for fuck’s sake and this was what, one, two days after he was appointed to that position? What sort of impression do you think that gives to the organisation? Whether you feel it was justified or not is entirely irrelevent to the content, it is not the way that DASA or DASA members should be behaving in public.
What I have noticed is that you ask “what’s happening”, “why isn’t this being done” or similar and you get the reply that you are slagging off DASA. What the fuck is that all about? And, given that reaction is it any wonder that the membership is in decline?
And again let me reitterate the point, this is not slagging DASA, I’m trying to help it survive.
K.
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Sorry, derogitory is not the correct term really.
Quite frankly I neither have the time nor the inclination to make any comments regarding DASA period unless prompted or asked to do so.
So, a better expression should have been – I’ll STFU about it and get on with running my own business and UKW, I couldn’t care less anymore whether DASA survives or not, I’ve done my bit and my best to help.
That’s it, no more, finito 😉
Dave.
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SO WHICH BIT OF “LEAVE THEM ALONE” WAS THE FUCKING PROBLEM?
Bloody Great, join the big boys in the War Room, try and put some reasoned, sensible discussion into the debate in a quieter place with a sense of direction, purpose and supposedly professional attitude and this goes off.
What’s the point, what IS the bloody point? I don’t like DASA, I have no wish to be involved with them and I’m not bothered if it survives or not, BUT, if we arrive at some sort of concensus in here we should stick with it.
For GOD’S SAKE – LEAVE THEM ALONE!
Somebody convince me that this group are professionals.
Chris.
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