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Re: DEFROSTED FRIDGE FREEZER THEN VERY STRANGE THINGS HAPPEN
Within my trade of course, like you, I’m more than qualified to differentiate between the two. The difference is when an unqualified person makes assumptions.
As for my punctuation, it’s something l do, it’s usually the first sign someone is losing the argument, l just find it funny when they do resort to it.
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lee8 wrote:I’m an honest person. I call it as l see it, I’m not always correct, but I’m fairly sure I’m not the only person that would perceive your comments in a negative manor.
Us experts sometimes don’t fit inferior components, even if the client insists what they read on the net as being inferior is in their uneducated opinion, us experts within our fields are the best judges and not always out to con a person. I would also not question your expertise in your field, l fear you would also take a negative opinion if l did.
“Hello lee8”,Where are You getting the idea that I am Decrying the Experts on here – Yourself – Martin or any other Member ?
IF We leave aside the Personal Insult issue and in light of your comments quoted above deal with My comments about NOT wanting to have what I perceive to possibly be Inferior Compressor fitted to my Fridge Freezer:
My comments are NOT suggesting that You – Martin or any other Member / Independent Refrigeration Engineer would deliberately fit an `Inferior Quality Compressor` to my Appliance !
I am dealing with a Breakdown Cover Insurer – because of the VAST amount of `Claims` / Repairs that they have to deal with I feel that it is entirely likely that they WILL be wanting to fit the CHEAPEST Compressor that they can obtain which is `suitable` for my Bosch Fridge Freezer – ?It is the COMPANY / Company`s Policy regarding the quality of Parts that they supply for Repairs that I was questioning – NOT the Engineers.
I hope that this goes some way to salving your obvious annoyance at what You thought I meant.Chris
DEFROSTED FRIDGE FREEZER THEN VERY STRANGE THINGS HAPPENED?
lee8 has never grasped the difference between the word THERE (adverb) and THEIR (determiner). A simple error but grammar is not a compulsory requirement in forum dialogue anyway. A relief for most that post on here. 😉
Re: DEFROSTED FRIDGE FREEZER THEN VERY STRANGE THINGS HAPPEN
lee8 wrote:Within my trade of course, like you, I’m more than qualified to differentiate between the two. The difference is when an unqualified person makes assumptions.
As for my punctuation, it’s something l do, it’s usually the first sign someone is losing the argument, l just find it funny when they do resort to it.
Hello lee8″,Another misunderstanding !
I was NOT criticising Your punctuation – I use punctuation which sometimes looks so strange that I get comments about it – even though I do know how to punctuate correctly I use my own [incorrect] method.
You used the wrong WORD – `THERE` does NOT mean `They are`.
YOU were the one who mentioned `the full stop` [my punctuation reference].
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Martin wrote:lee8 has never grasped the difference between the word THERE (adverb) and THEIR (determiner). A simple error but grammar is not a compulsory requirement in forum dialogue anyway. A relief for most that post on here. 😉
“Hello Martin”,I of all People using the Forum have NO right to even mention `Punctuation` because of the way that I use it [often incorrectly] and because of that I would NEVER try to be Pedantic to anyone about it.
My reference to Him `being clever about punctuation` was about His comment about the `Full Stop` – I then pointed out that He used the wrong WORD.As I mentioned He should have written `They are` ……… – in the context of what He was stating.
I probably would NOT have picked Him up on that but We were `Arguing` a point and I had already received an Insult from Him previously.
Regards,
Chris
Re: DEFROSTED FRIDGE FREEZER THEN VERY STRANGE THINGS HAPPEN
An alternative is not inferior. By you asking the question in the manner you have indicated that you are expecting issues with both the components and the diagnosis. That is not an assumption on my part it’s pretty obvious.
Anyway let’s move on and await the next thrilling instalments of the very strange things Bosch fridge freezer do.
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lee8 wrote:An alternative is not inferior. By you asking the question in the manner you have indicated that you are expecting issues with both the components and the diagnosis. That is not an assumption on my part it’s pretty obvious.
Anyway let’s move on and await the next thrilling instalments of the very strange things Bosch fridge freezer do.
“Hello lee8”,Although Martin responded to my message about Me having found the Danfoss Compressor on the Partsmaster website for approx. £224.00 Delivered by informing Me that it can be purchased by the Trade for approx. £65.00 Plus VAT [£78.00] I would have been under the impression that this Danfoss Compressor would be of Better Quality Manufacture and therefore more `Reliable` than an Unbranded Compressor – is that NOT so ?
HERE ARE A FEW EXAMPLES OF THIS REGARDING HEATING PRODUCTS IN USE IN THE U.K:
In the Domestic / Commercial Heating Industry Honeywell Zone Valves and Electrical Controls and Danfoss Zone Valves and Electrical Controls are `Superior Quality` Products to ALL other Manufacturers Zone Valves and Electrical Controls – in terms of Manufacturing Quality and Reliability .
With very few exceptions apart from some individual Controls examples where there are slight variations in what can be Programmed into the Control – for example some Manufacturers Programmable Room Thermostats are `on a par` with Honeywell and Danfoss.
Grundfos Circulating Pumps for Heating Systems are of a `Superior Quality` and Reliability to ALL other Manufacturers Pumps except for Wilo Pumps which I would rate as a `close second`.
Honeywell and Danfoss Thermostatic Radiator Valves are `Superior Quality` in terms of Manufacturing Quality and Reliability to ALL other TRV`s available on the UK Market.
THESE ASSERTIONS COULD OBVIOUSLY BE STATED TO BE `JUST MY OPINIONS` – BUT AS YOU PUT IT THEY ARE `EDUCATED OPINIONS` AS I HAVE INSTALLED HUNDREDS OF CENTRAL HEATING SYSTEMS DURING THE LAST 40+ YEARS AND I SPECIFY AND SUPPLY THE PUMPS – ZONE VALVES AND ELECTRICAL CONTROLS AS WELL AS THE REST OF THE MATERIALS.
I realise that I have not given Parts for Boilers / Gas Appliances as examples but I would not have the necessary information about the various components Quality of Manufacture or `Reliability` [or otherwise] as I do not carry out Boiler / Gas Appliance Repairs.
Can similar assertions be made for Manufacturers of Refrigeration Products ?
I would appreciate Your and other Member opinions on this Please.Chris
Re: DEFROSTED FRIDGE FREEZER THEN VERY STRANGE THINGS HAPPEN
This is better than Eastenders, Corrie & Emmerdale put together, can’t wait for the next episode..
Poor appliance though, I feeel sorry for it, its been 3 months sick.
It should have a name by now, how about Boris the Bosch ?Re: DEFROSTED FRIDGE FREEZER THEN VERY STRANGE THINGS HAPPEN
“Hello All”,
Here is the outcome regarding the Repair to my Bosch Fridge Freezer:
As I stated in one of my previous messages I was concerned that I might get an Unbranded Compressor fitted [because of the first Engineers `diagnosis` that the Compressor was defective / Compressor ordered] – and I thought that this would possibly be an `Inferior Part` to the Danfoss Compressor – so I contacted the Breakdown Cover Company who were sending the Engineer [2nd Engineer] and I managed to get put through to the Engineers department Manager.
I explained my concern about the replacement Compressor and the Manager looked at the Parts Order and told Me that I would be getting the same model of Compressor that is fitted to my Bosch Appliance – as made by Danfoss.
He stated that this was because they did not want to cause any difficulties for the Engineers while fitting the Compressors – regarding the connections etc. and that a Bosch Refrigeration Appliance would always be getting Bosch approved parts when being repaired by them.I was very pleased with this I would be getting a New Compressor for my Fridge Freezer – IF the second Engineer just carried out the Repairs / Replaced BOTH the Compressor and the Control Module without questioning the original `Diagnosis`.
Yesterday the Engineer came [2nd Engineer] and as I thought might happen He asked Me to describe the Malfunctions that I had told `Engineer 1` about a Week earlier.
After hearing my descriptions [as at the beginning of this thread] He turned On the Fridge Freezer and lay down near the back of the Appliance – the Temperature settings lights went Off and On again with a loud `Click` and He identified this Click as coming from the Diverter Valve – NOT the Compressor as the first Engineer had stated [He did NOT get down to check this].
He pointed the Diverter Valve out to Me and I witnessed the loud Click was coming from it – He commented that IF that ever fails the Appliance becomes `un-repairable` because they cannot get a replacement that the existing pipes can be connected to – I did not ask for further details about this although I would have liked to know exactly what He meant.
The Engineer then stated that He would replace the Control Module as that this was causing the Diverter Valve problem and should solve also the various other problems / malfunctions – He replaced the Module / PCB section – turned the Appliance back On and the Fridge Freezer started up as Normal – made the right `noises` and began to Cool the Fridge and Freezer Compartments.I had Digital Thermometers that I put into the Compartments to be able to quickly see the Temperature drops – but the Engineer felt the back of the Fridge and stated that He could feel it Cooling.
We both looked at the original PCB and could NOT see any sections that looked faulty – no discolouration of the lines or `dry joints` etc. – He stated that this is often the case where nothing is evident when looking at the PCB – I asked about Capacitors or Resistors [?] etc. becoming defective but obviously He does not get involved in finding out WHY a PCB / Control Module has failed.
So – NO NEW DANFOSS COMPRESSOR ! – He did have the Danfoss Compressor with Him.
I had GUESSED last Week that the Compressor was NOT at Fault / Malfunctioning – despite the first Engineers `Diagnosis` – as I was able to get the Appliance working after the first `Strange Malfunctions` that I wrote about to start this thread – and again after His visit.
The irritating thing about this was that the first Engineer tried to stop Me from describing ALL of the Malfunctions that had previously occurred – only about a MINUTE after He turned On the Fridge Freezer because `He knew what is wrong – the Compressor has gone` [words to that effect] – `from the `Click On` of the Compressor`.IF I had not insisted on Him listening to the description of the previous malfunctions the second Engineer would NOT have had the Control Module to fit !
This would have meant ANOTHER WEEKS WAIT for a THIRD Engineers visit ! !
I did ask the Engineer some questions about the Strange Malfunctions that I previously described on here – He could only state that `a Faulty PCB can cause various strange things to happen`.I mentioned that I was particularly intrigued that wedging the Freezer Door open for a couple of Hours actually STOPPED the Temperature Settings Display lights from going Off and On with the loud `Click` and enabled Me to get the Appliance operating again but He could not speculate as to what might have happened regarding that.
I imagine from some previous remarks on this thread that some Members were bored by this thread / did not like some of my comments / attitude but I wanted to post this Update / Final Result out of courtesy to the Forum Members who might have read this thread with some interest.
Thanks again to Members who tried to be helpful.
Regards,Chris
Re: DEFROSTED FRIDGE FREEZER THEN VERY STRANGE THINGS HAPPEN
Phew! Or better still to really express our emotions I refer you to the famous quote by Charles M Duke Jr speaking from ‘Mission Control in Houston Texas’ during the Apollo 11 moon landing………. …..”you’ve got a bunch of guys here about to turn blue!”
BUT, I have to tell you, I’m not holding my breath over this. I feel this ‘story’ will continue. We haven’t heard the last of this………… 😉
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Martin wrote:Phew! Or better still to really express our emotions I refer you to the famous quote by Charles M Duke Jr speaking from ‘Mission Control in Houston .’ during the Apollo 11 moon landing………. …..”you’ve got a bunch of guys here about to turn blue!”
BUT, I have to tell you, I’m not holding my breath over this. I feel this ‘story’ will continue. We haven’t heard the last of this………… 😉
“Hello Martin”,I posted the `Final Result` / Update out of courtesy to Members – this was a very long thread and despite getting responses from some people who would NOT have said what they wrote to Me in person I wanted to act respectfully to the Forum because I received excellent Help and Information about a problem with my Washing Machine.
I wanted to leave this thread feeling like I did the right thing by `Ending it` with the details of what happened.
Please let Me know what You meant by this comment:
BUT, I have to tell you, I’m not holding my breath over this. I feel this ‘story’ will continue. We haven’t heard the last of this…………
IF You have doubts about the Control Module / PCB replacement having solved all of the problems that I previously described that would suggest to ME that You did have views on what was causing the `Strange Malfunctions` on my Fridge Freezer and that You now think that replacing the Control Module / PCB may NOT have dealt with ALL of the malfunctions ?
Leaving Me `Hanging on your words` without explaining what You mean would not be appropriate behaviour for a `Senior Member` of any Forum – causing Me to doubt the reliability of my Fridge Freezer AFTER a Repair without giving Me an explanation is not a `Gentlemanly` thing to do.Please do the `Decent Thing` and explain what You meant by your comment
Regards,Chris
Re: DEFROSTED FRIDGE FREEZER THEN VERY STRANGE THINGS HAPPEN
CHRISX wrote:Please do the `Decent Thing` and explain what You meant by your comment
I meant exactly what I said. I don’t believe the story ends here. That’s not to say I don’t think the module has resolved the problem, it may well have, for now at least. You may believe so and I for one hope that is the case. But my gut feeling suspects otherwise and time, only time, will tell…that’s all CHRISX. I wish you and your fridge well. Bye for now! 😀
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