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Re: EEE safe email.
As long as you are enjoying life that is fine.
Me, I have now retired from work, just lazing and doing the dasa thing. I no see the point in getting stressed about it, just do what they ask, easy come easy go.Nice to see you guy’s here still going. To be honest basically we all sing from the same sheet, with different view points, life would be boring if we all come from the same view point, huh, I think I would shoot myself if we did.
Take it easy one and all.
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Some believe theirs is the only song sheet.:lol:
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What alternative?
Every single thing I’ve seen tries to shove a round peg (that is often too big) into a square hole. Often with strings attached and costs to try to make it fit. Sorta, maybe.
To get scale and volume you need to encompass the recyclers, repairers, retailers, manufacturers and so on but, one size doesn’t fit all and it is extremely unlikely that it ever will.
If you break that down then there isn’t enough volume to support any one niche if you like. Drill down further and you get a few disparate factions within each that will do one thing while the rest do something else. The incentives differ therefore there can be no unified solution, certainly not one without a substantial degree of compromise which leads to disagreement, which leads to ultimate failure.
It really isn’t rocket science.
It is also, IMO, largely a lost cause that is little more than a distraction at best. The politics are what they are though and they dictate that this will come up time and time again until someone points out the obvious failings and it all goes deadly quiet. Only to rear it’s ugly mush a couple or few years later and the whole cycle starts all over again.
Logically then, the “alternative” will be little more than the Emperor’s New Clothes, once again and will offer little more than some small benefit to some small faction and is extremely unlikely to gain widespread traction.
Correct me if I’m wrong because, I’d love to be proved to be so. But, I very much doubt I will be.
K.
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Another contact form EEEsafe.
Direct cut-n-paste so I am not misquoted…….
EEESafe, Toyota, Dow Corning and
Ellen MaCarthur, all in the same breath!We’re particularly pleased to announce our association with these organisations in today’s published paper by the Ellen MaCarthur Foundation (EMF). We’ve all been cited in a Circular Economy Report. As organisations in Appliance repairs this information could be useful to you. Don’t get left behind in the Circular Economy.
The Paper produced for WRAP and Welsh Government by EMF cites EEESafe alongside big corporations like Toyota and Dow Corning demonstrating the multiple benefits, particularly from EEESafe, that a circular economy can bring. Find out about the Circular Economy HERE
EMF states that Businesses and Communities are already pursuing circular economy values. They go on to say in addition to government-funded policy and initiatives, there are a number of enterprises in Wales that are currently pursuing value through implementing circular economy practices. We are pleased to have been highlighted in this publication and we hope that all communities in the UK will begin to engage with EEESafe, when they are next looking to replace their Fridges, Cookers, Washing Machines, Tumble Driers and Dishwashers.
One of the multiple benefits we offer is by asking you to purchase new Appliances through the link on our website, or through the link of an EEESafe Online Shop, we can begin to increase community responsibility in helping their friends, family and neighbours. Giving in your Appliance to an EEESafe Centre will help your old Appliance become someone’s new Appliance. In a Circular Economy model, reuse and repair are high factor operations that to lowering Carbon output and deliver a huge Social Value to the community. You wouldn’t believe how many people living in poverty, are looking for these items. Social Service, Homeless Departments, Child Poverty Groups, Domestic Abuse Groups and many other Charities. When you buy via our site and our Retail Partners, you ensure we keep the old appliance in your community and repair it to the EEESafe Standard. By using one our repairers, then you will prevent your Local Authority, or the other big Retailers from taking it away for waste or to some other part of the country.
If you are looking to find an EEESafe Technician or a Centre to fix your Appliances, then we recommend you use one of our Repairers registered with EEESafe.
Communities can help regenerate their local economies by helping to retain Appliances in the locality. Charities, Social Housing, Support Groups and Homeless departments are looking for these products, so please help them. Remember, your Old Appliance could be someone else’s New Appliance.
You can find the full Ellen MaCarther report HERE
If you are interested in working with EEESafe, and looking to get involved in running an EEESafe Centre, becoming a Competent Appliance Repairer or wish to deliver our Training Programme for an Accredited Qualification, then please Contact Us for more information.
So….
How much of the above is actually rolling out? WRAP and Welsh Government seem interested if they have commissioned a report by EMF.. 😕 And the trade association they are working with is? And how many repairers are represented by said trade association? What about the T11 Exemption….no mention; are they able to get round that law?
You will notice that all the above only seems to be relevant IF you buy your new appliance through EEEsafe or its approved associates.
Hmm….so many questions….make up your own mind!Steve.
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Two emails in a week!
Who is Robert Alexander anyway?
And where did he get my email address?
S.
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On both questions I have little in the way of an answer.
But, remember this conversation…
Before you hit that link though, read this latest one that rolled in…
EEESafe wrote:Evidence from the Department for Communities and Local Government show that in 2011/2012 there were around 5200 domestic fires in Great Britain caused by faults with electrical products, and that over 2000 of these were attributable to White Goods – such as Tumble Driers, Washing Machines, Fridge Freezers and Electric Cookers.
These are the type of goods supplied by Landlords, Local Charities, Producer Compliance Schemes, Second Hand Appliance shops and Domestic Appliance Repair outlets. Working with EEESafe registered Centres and Technicians will help ensure more of these goods will be available to such groups, and importantly, repaired by Registered Competent Persons.
EEESafe is calling for regulation on ensuring Competent Persons are employed on any repair work for White Goods Appliances through registration with its EEESafe Domestic Appliance Technicians and Workshop Repairers Card Scheme. The scheme is also dedicated to ensuring that appliances beyond economical repair and where Registered Technicians do not require the product, are placed into a Registered Local EEESafe Centre. Retention of appliances for local community benefit are part of the Circular Economy operation seeks to deliver through it’s Local Training Centre model.
Recently cited by the Ellen MaCarthur Foundation to the Welsh Government in a White Paper, EEESafe is looking to engage all Stakeholders to reduce carbon emissions, help impoverished communities, remove rogue traders and deliver a Greens Skills programme commensurate with UK Government policies. Consumers are encouraged to not only offer their old appliances to EEESafe, but purchase new ones via their Retail Partners on their own website, who agree not to remove the old appliances from the community.
Data Source. https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati … 11-to-2012
Now, hit the link above. 😉
If you do a bit more research, it becomes even more tenuous.
K.
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Generic headline grabbing Government figures that “prove” your point….
“Evidence from the Department for Communities and Local Government show that in 2011/2012 there were around 5200 domestic fires in Great Britain caused by faults with electrical products, and that over 2000 of these were attributable to White Goods – such as Tumble Driers, Washing Machines, Fridge Freezers and Electric Cookers.”
How many of what type of appliance, what manufacturer, circumstances, cause of fire….etc. All pertinent questions…
“Working with EEESafe registered Centres and Technicians will help ensure more of these goods will be available to such groups, and importantly, repaired by Registered Competent Persons.”
So it’s a registration system or COP to regulate this industry; that usually works well. If it is rolled out, it could be beneficial to all. Hasn’t this been tried before? 😉
“EEESafe is calling for regulation on ensuring Competent Persons are employed on any repair work for White Goods Appliances through registration with its EEESafe Domestic Appliance Technicians and Workshop Repairers Card Scheme.”
Yep, it’s a competency registration scheme.
“The scheme is also dedicated to ensuring that appliances beyond economical repair and where Registered Technicians do not require the product, are placed into a Registered Local EEESafe Centre. Retention of appliances for local community benefit are part of the Circular Economy operation seeks to deliver through it’s Local Training Centre model.”
It would help if the Local Training Centre was announced to the trade doing the work before it was trumpeted in the press. Training cemtre? Does that mean Dixons? That’s not local to me. Where’s my invitation to train up and aspire to be competent? Is this NVQ based training with recognized qualifications?
“Recently cited by the Ellen MaCarthur Foundation to the Welsh Government in a White Paper, EEESafe is looking to engage all Stakeholders to reduce carbon emissions, help impoverished communities, remove rogue traders and deliver a Greens Skills programme commensurate with UK Government policies.”
Stakeholders…. now were getting to it. Remove rogue traders? Checkatrade were successfully doing that, weren’t they? Green skills programme? Where and how do you train for that?
“Consumers are encouraged to not only offer their old appliances to EEESafe, but purchase new ones via their Retail Partners on their own website, who agree not to remove the old appliances from the community.”
That last paragraph is the truthful bit. You buy it from us and we’ll do the right thing. So where and when does this all start? Surely it’s best to involve the trade you are trying to regulate and be inclusive instead of forming an exclusive club that makes up its own rules based on Government data gleaned from sources that agree with your point of view. That’s easy, the papers do that every day. Regulation? It omits to say how this is going to happen, also fails to explain how it is going to achieve competency when no training exists except the NVQ that none of the colleges run.
Still no mention of the WEEE implication of this scheme. Who’s going to store the scrap machines prior to their transformation back to EEE? Where’s my local EEEsafe centre? This makes it sound like there’s one in every town. If there isn’t one near me then to comply my premises will have to be T11 regulated. Who pays for the shifting, warehousing and reconditioning of these machines?
Has any of this been discussed on UKW; probably the biggest engineer forum on the net? A registration scheme for repairers? I’ve seen the WTA do it and lacklustre is a good word for the response. So that leaves DASA with its extensive membership…..EEEsafe need to come on UKW and state their case and be prepared to answer the above points and concerns. If they care to the degree they are saying they do then this will be forthcoming.
But if no one knows what’s going on, no one’s going to do it…. and there are no regulations in place to enforce it. Robert Alexander – you write the emails….please take the UKW stage – the trade is listening…..Re: EEE safe email.
DASA as far as I am aware is the trade body, and Robert Alexander may have been given permissions to use there mail chimp list.
I am only assuming here though, and, may be well out, but, I know EEESafe is closely allied to DASA
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Had email from them offering £80 call out including spares for repair jobs. Not paid much attention as I think it hasn’t established itself well despite making a show at WTA conference last year. Couldn’t put a finger on it, summat not right somewhere.
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