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Re: EEE safe email.
It was a dig, just as most of your posts are Adrian.
But, in a way you have admitted that you don’t have all the facts and, therefore, you are speculating based on the premise that there are people that post a lot. That’s it, that’s all you have.
K.
Re: EEE safe email.
To get back on track.
aqualectric wrote:Anyone had the new email on EEEsafe? Or is my inbox the only lucky recipient?
I had heard Steve so, not just you although I haven’t seen it myself I was sent the body of it or parts.
aqualectric wrote:Powering ahead with DASA….. involving housing associations, councils and lobbying the Government….. talking big to everyone else but no word on here.
I don’t think that DASA are actually that involved, if at all any longer. As I understand it there were some within DASA that held reservations on the scheme for, it is said, are more or less the very same reasons as the WTA.
I cannot obviously speak for any organisation other than those that I am directly involved with but I have also heard from within government departments that there is little to absolutely no support there either for EEESafe.
Which only once again goes to show a certain poster here hasn’t the first clue what he’s talking about. But does seem to have a grudge and can’t resist having a pop wherever possible. 😉
aqualectric wrote:Involve the trade that will do the work and they might get involved too. And who is Robert Alexander? When is he coming on UKW to explain EEEsafe? If it’s the next big thing, then promote it here.
I don’t think many are really all that interested as there is little in the way of any incentive to get involved. There’s no commercial advantage as there’s no public recognition and no legal mandate so, no need to part with any cash.
Despite what might be getting spouted about fires, which is total cobblers and that’s me being very polite, domestic appliances are ludicrously safe things when used and installed correctly with very few accidents or any real dangers.
All I can see is someone who is desperate trying to convince people that they have time bombs sat in their kitchens and, that’s completely wrong.
Also completely wrong is to say or infer that poor repairs have led to even one single fire or any other accident that I am aware of. In the absence of any proof I am afraid I would have to say that this is just scaremongering.
But in a way it’s also harmful as it throws the WHOLE trade into disrepute by putting it into people’s heads that we’re all dangerous cowboys that might kill them, unless you are EEESafe registered of course, which you would have to conclude is really a complete nonsense.
The chances of putting UKW’s support behind this given the tactics being employed and the potential harm that could be done is, I’m sure, easy to guess. And, that’s before you look at it as a business.
Now the people in DASA, the WTA, DEFRA etc also aren’t idiots, can work this out for themselves also and contrary to the belief of some, they all do communicate on a number of topics.
What Robert’s background is I honestly don’t know. I know he was involved in the whole recycling side of things but what his experience or knowledge of the rest of the industry is I really can’t say.
I would say though that I am quite sure that the promotion side of this is not being done by Graham as I’ve known Graham for many years and he checks facts.
I get the impression overall that this is a case of trying to do the right thing, just perhaps not the right way.
K.
Re: EEE safe email.
I only ask the question on here as it was suggested that Robert Alexander came on the forums to garner support for EEEsafe and generate interest with UKW trade members. It was agreed by Graham that his presence would be beneficial to all.
If I get regular emails telling me the many developments that are going on seemingly apace to regulate this trade, then yeah, I’m going to be interested. So an interested person shares their thoughts with other members; if I didn’t care, then I’d send the email to Trash.
I have made up my mind though….I’ll just keep my thoughts to myself. 😉Steve.
Re: EEE safe email.
Steve Hi,
We apologise to you also if we’ve said the wrong thing because you are absolutely correct in that if you have an interest in a trade related issue, you should speak to others via whatever means you see fit, including forums 🙂
The only point we were trying to make was that a number of businesses and / or organisations operate and grow outside of these forums and / or without support from DASA or the WTA (We are not having a pop there kwatt hense we have included DASA) very successfully and choose to do so due to a huge variance of reasons.
So the mere fact that a business or organisation that is not sanctioned, supported or promoted by UKWhitegoods, the WTA or DASA does not mean they are bad, not worthy or unviable and to publicly demand that any person come here to address a small portion of the trade to justify anything they are doing outside of these forums is a bit out of order.
Kind Regards
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Re: EEE safe email.
NationalAppCare wrote:So the mere fact that a business or organisation that is not sanctioned, supported or promoted by UKWhitegoods, the WTA or DASA does not mean they are bad, not worthy or unviable and to publicly demand that any person come here to address a small portion of the trade to justify anything they are doing outside of these forums is a bit out of order.
And so far as I know, nobody said that.
Except you of course who has their own agenda. But at any rate, you say that this forum isn’t that important but I’m struggling with a couple of things…
a/ Why you keep coming on here.
b/ Why you keep placing blatant adverts that get deleted.
If it’s not that important, I just don’t get that at all.
Unless the reason is merely to try to cause trouble wherever you can as you got told to go forth previously, that could be a reason I guess and given the subtext in most of your posts, that’s the most likely motive. Or, it could be that you’re just so damn stupid/pig-headed that you don’t see you’re not getting anywhere. Or, maybe there’s another reason I’m not seeing, I doubt it, but possible I suppose.
K.
Re: EEE safe email.
NationalAppCare wrote:
So the mere fact that a business or organisation that is not sanctioned, supported or promoted by UKWhitegoods, the WTA or DASA does not mean they are bad, not worthy or unviable and to publicly demand that any person come here to address a small portion of the trade to justify anything they are doing outside of these forums is a bit out of order.
So to answer the above quote for the hard-of-understanding:-
UKW, DASA and the WTA are the only really prominent bodies for independent engineers in this trade. So surely, if you are trying to get a project this ambitious off the ground, then you would probably want to net as big an audience from these places as is possible; especially if the people in question were the very people you were appealing to to put the plan into action.
Actually, I haven’t demanded anything of anybody; I am just saying what I thought would be forthcoming. As you say, some people don’t need these bodies to function; I am one of them… I happen to show an interest in the trade that employs me; so please do not try to put words in my mouth to cause problems. :rolls:
EEESafe are trying to change the trade for the better; that is to be applauded; but this is a very small and relatively low profit sector that has a finite life if the market continues as it is, so they have their work cut out. So for a bigger fight you need more troops…Steve.
Re: EEE safe email.
aqualectric wrote:this is a very small and relatively low profit sector
Steve.
You are kidding yes? Low profit sector?
An Engineer running his business correctly can make a small fortune!
Ok, I agree that if some want to run about like headless chickens doing 12 jobs per day for £35-£40 per repair, fine, they are the ones who only see small profits.
In the chargeable environment, there are huge profits to be had. Fact. If you advertise properly, quote fairly and source parts intelligently, you can make the same out of 4 or 5 jobs per day than the guy running about with 12 for a contract.
There are only low profits in this industry for those that choose to work for unfair or low rates with no control over their income. Please point me in the direction of another industry where someone could pocket £40-60 for a 20 minute repair? And if it’s a longer repair or double visit, they make more as they make profit on spares!
Kind Regards
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Re: EEE safe email.
Silly question here, is Ade actually supporting DASA now? I get this impression. If so, was it not Ade who was slating DASA a few years back. Or have I got the wrong person here.
Oldtog
Re: EEE safe email.
Thanks Ken, I thought so. I now waiting with much baited breath, though I wont hold it, on his response about what I said about DASA, so are you now supporting DASA young man. If yes, then why the change of heart?
Re: EEE safe email.
Oldtog Hi,
We do not ‘support’ anyone and haven’t hinted at such either? We are very proud and carry a very big smile that what we do, we do well and without any help from any organisation 😀
Any opinions formed in the past about any organisation were formed based on the circle of acquaintances and like every one knows, times change, so do circles, so do opinions 😉
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Re: EEE safe email.
aqualectric wrote:In my previous posts on this, I asked those questions and of course they were never answered. To regulate the industry, you have to have majority support from those working in it; including the manufacturers. They have demonstrated with sealed tubs and non – configured electronics that they are really not interested in the independent trade at all, so has anything changed? If I am applying high standards to my job, test everything I do, have 30 years experience and hoards of satisfied customers who recommend me on then am I not as “professional” as EEEsafe standards? Or will it all suddenly change for the better as I grasp my EEEsafe membership card in my hand?
Once again I have to applaud you Steve for your astute observations and thought provoking comments. Whilst all around others are just wrestling with their egos and straying wildly from the subject matter you have hung in there, on the button. Thank you.:D
Your quote lays out exactly the problem to which EEESafe would have to overcome in order their idealistic scheme was accepted and viable within the industry. Outside of that it is nothing more than another ‘use us we are good guys’ with badges to proove it. The manufacturers set the rules. Their infighting with their competitors has created a mass produced and inferior product with built in obsolescence. Made deliberately unserviceable to ensure a constant demand for more of the same. ‘Tis they who need regulating and that is never going to happen. Hence why the service side is on a downward slope. How can you reclaim and reuse junk anyway? What’s there to fix?
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