meggers

[adv]

just a quick question,never had a megger, never realy needed one. but what are its advantages.a no it puts 500v through.components. but what is it proveing?still stumpt on this candyd/w cdi1012 took to work shop. fitted new pcb, lights up but wont do nothing.checked all wireing. and continuity through all components.not with a megger tho . just a meter.been on to candy tech. they say have you meggerd machine? that could be causin fault. megger what exactly? thats what am asking?am not getin a neutral to pump extra. am thinkin duff new 😳 pcb?

[electrofix]

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you have to remember that in use all machine are subject to 230v rms

rms means route mean square that is the equivalent dc voltage but the mains is a sinusoidal wave which means the max voltage is 1.4 times this which is 325 volts (and most voltages are higher than this)

at higher voltages you will get more leakage to earth from heaters etc so a 9v meter will not show it

since these leakage curents can upet electronics or trip rcd’s a megger can be a useful test

Dave

[adv]

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cheers this flat has rcd trip switches. a cant get this dw to do nowt. heater in back panel so stupid. beging to hink giving candy stuff a body swerve 😳

[Martin]

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adv wrote:just a quick question,never had a megger, never realy needed one. but what are its advantages.a no it puts 500v through.components. but what is it proveing?

In this game its vital to carry and use a megger (550v Insulation Tester) on every machine. It tells you far more about the state of the insulation (i.e motor windings and heating elements) than simple 9v digital test meters. Without a megger test faults such as you are experiencing will not show up any other way.

adv wrote:still stumpt on this candyd/w cdi1012 took to work shop. fitted new pcb, lights up but wont do nothing.

I wonder if LED’s P1 and P2 are flashing in this case?

Let me have your email address and I can send you some Candy test info if you like?

[TeeMyob]

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I thought we all carried a Megger?

I do not understand how an Engineer can work without one?!

[leavemetogetonwithit]

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You can get round the no megger problem temporarily by disconnecting components one at a time, then re-trying the machine. So heater would be first, I should think. If the machine starts up with heater disconnected then it could be that the element has a degree of earth leakage which, whilst not critical enough to blow the trip, is sufficient to cause the electronics to complain. If it makes no difference, re-connect it and try disconnecting the circulation pump etc.
The downside with this method is that machine may not work with some things disconnected but at least the error code would probably change, so it might give you some clues.
Have a look on e-bay. There are usually some perfectly good meggers on there, secondhand and cheap which will do till you’ve got time to choose a new one. Also google “test insulation resistance” and things like that.
Mike.
PS: In 90{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} of cases, where there is earth leakage it will show up on an ordinary meter anyway. Disconnect component and test between one terminal and earth terminal using highest M’ohm range.

[adv]

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i dont need a megger if a washer aint spinning. brushes belt module. not draining. mmm hink thatl be pump or a blockage. oven naw heat element. over heat state? fridge naw go compreeser. or state. got a pac 1000 pat tester tho 😆 any way. when put on test ie hold button down for 60secs.p1 an p4 flash twice. at end same as orignal board does

[lee8]

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Isn`t it now part of the law that all appliances are safety checked including insulation test, Earth loop impedance and earth continuity.

Your local HSE, trading standards and Public liability won`t be happy if one of your clients gets a death.

I don`t do anything without this little friend

http://www.pat-testing.info/ins-test.htm

http://www.pat-testing.info/legal.htm

[Martin]

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adv wrote:i dont need a megger if a washer aint spinning. brushes belt module. not draining. mmm hink thatl be pump or a blockage. oven naw heat element. over heat state? fridge naw go compreeser. or state. got a pac 1000 pat tester tho 😆 any way. when put on test ie hold button down for 60secs.p1 an p4 flash twice. at end same as orignal board does

Errrrr?….can you put it another way please my enigma machine (ooops sorry – megger) isn’t getting a reading on that right now. 🙂

Would you like to take up my earlier offer though I wonder?

lee8 wrote:Isn`t it now part of the law that all appliances are safety checked including insulation test, Earth loop impedance and earth continuity.

Sadly I have to report that no such legislation applies, the law doesn’t carry a megger on the van either. :rolls:

[TeeMyob]

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Martin wrote:

adv wrote:
i dont need a megger if a washer aint spinning. brushes belt module. not draining. mmm hink thatl be pump or a blockage. oven naw heat element. over heat state? fridge naw go compreeser. or state. got a pac 1000 pat tester tho 😆 any way. when put on test ie hold button down for 60secs.p1 an p4 flash twice. at end same as orignal board does

Errrrr?….can you put it another way please my enigma machine (ooops sorry – megger) isn’t getting a reading on that right now. 🙂

Would you like to take up my earlier offer though I wonder?

lee8 wrote:Isn`t it now part of the law that all appliances are safety checked including insulation test, Earth loop impedance and earth continuity.

Sadly I have to report that no such legislation applies, the law doesn’t carry a megger on the van either. :rolls:

Well Maybe it should be Law!

[lee8]

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I thought all repairs to appliances had to be safety checked.

Why do all the big boys.

Having said that the Electrolux DATES course was funny, had to demo how to wire a plug. :rolls:

If you do something dangerous and somebody gets killed arn`t we liable. 😉

[Specialist01269]

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The short answer to that is yes, if you work on an appliance & someone then gets injured or killed using the item you will be liable to prosecution.
The only way to cover yourself is to test all repairs for Electrical safety on completion & keep a written record of the test results, the easiest way to do this is write the results on your jobsheet & the customer invoice. I allways tag the appliance as well to show that it has passed the safety tests, personally I would be lost without my insulation tester & don’t understand how people can work without 1. 😯
As for all the big boys doing the tests, Simple: They know as well as we do what happens when you Electrocute a customer.

Andy

[Alex]

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I simply cannot believe some of what I’ve read in this thread.

I’m getting vibes that if there is an earth fault, rather than use a megger to identify the fault, keep disconnecting components & whacking in fuses using a process of elimination. That alone is unreal!

Put it this way, without a megger, despite the fault you are called to attend, you have no idea if there is an earth leakage. Therefore you have no idea if there is a potential DEATH risk to yourself or your customer.

You can clear a pump, fit a door seal, unblock a soap dispenser or whatever that does not involve an electrical fault; but you have a duty of care to yourself, your customer or indeed your employee. Without a simple check you have no idea what is lurking.

You can meet an appliance that has an inherent earth leakage, and enough to kill anyone who happens to be the conductor between that machine and a good earth, and you were the last one there. You or your company left paperwork, or a line on the victim’s bank statement to say who was paid on the last day someone looked at that product.

You can be complacent and say, “But I had no need to take an insulation resistance test, as there was no electrical fault”. However did you check the earth path itself, meaning is that appliance actually earthed properly? Dare I suggest someone who breezes in and facilitates a repair without a megger won’t be doing an earth loop test either?

The thought of some of what has been added in this thread to date horrifies me, and the poor old punter has no idea why some repairers seem to be too bloody cheap!

I’m going to be blunt here; I hope some of what has been posted to date on this subject is NOT indicative of the members of UKW as a whole.

Alex

[Specialist01269]

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Hi Alex: Until the Government decide to pull their finger out & make safety testing compulsory it’s just going to get worse, it’s the same in the Commercial sector as well. The Majority of “Engineers” don’t have a Megger or know how to use 1 & don’t even do the most basic Earth continuity test with a Multimeter, as for Loop testing I don’t know what it’s like in your area but I have only come across 1 other appliance engineer who has 1 in my area.

Andy

[Grendal]

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To me its all about being able to sleep at night not worrying about whether I have left an unsafe appliance. Every job I do I carry out an earth loop test its the only way to be safe

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