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[leavemetogetonwithit]

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Martin wrote:Why didn’t it trip the RCD I hear you cry? For those that know the answer then time to rest on your laurels, turn away and take the rest of the day off!:D

Thanks for that. 😀 Shame there’s only an hour and a half left. 🙁 I wish I knew why the clock on this post says it’s only half an hour but that doesn’t really matter. Would I be correct in thinking that the trip would only blow if the insulation res. went down to about 8k?
Mike.

[iadom]

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leavemetogetonwithit wrote: Shame there’s only an hour and a half left. 🙁 I wish I knew why the clock on this post says it’s only half an hour but that doesn’t really matter.

You need to go into your profile and set the time to GMT not GMT+1 (summertime) 😉

[leavemetogetonwithit]

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Done. Thanks Jim. 🙂
Mike.

[chris211]

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could you pop one in my box too martin

[maltheviking]

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Thanks Martin

Got a copy and digested it, well done 😉

Also had time to read the thread from the beginning and good to see considerable input from several individuals, some very knowledgeable but alarmingly some very frightening 😯
Forgive me from straying slightly from the subject “meggers”

One comment, which was spoken proffesionaly, was….

“Sorry about the lecture but the lack of technical depth that often appears on the forum really scares the crap out of those that have even the merest understanding of the dangers for both engineers (for want of a better word) and customers they attend let alone the impact ignorance has on fault finding” …….is extremely well said.

Up to date we as a trade and various threads on this forum tend to have discussed safety issues with a less than convincing argument. Some would have it that we as individuals have a limited responsibility to our own and customer safety and to a certain extent that could be correct. There is talk of “grey areas”, sadly there are plenty. What level of testing and how far do we go? Are we only responsible for the appliances we work on and/or the household installation? Again, a grey area with some of us.
Basically we should not accept the grey areas. Testing is imperative, both of the appliance and the household wiring that the appliance is connected to

Before any of you start back at me on that comment please feel free to pull your neck in first and understand the sentence. What is the point in testing an appliance if there is a fault in the household wiring and no route for an earth fault to go? In a court of law you may or may not get away with it.

My next point is “what level of competence should we accept for his trade?” My personal opinion is that it should be the best and equal to anyone in any electrical industry. It is obvious by the regular questions on this forum that there is several individuals who are not up to a basic electrical/mechanical standard. It is not for me to say is it right or wrong to keep educating them as UKWG is a open forum for anyone who can produce trade evidence, nor is it up to the forum to discriminate against them.

I was/still? an electrician and to be quite honest I could train monkeys to wire houses its not that hard, as for the design and testing with associated paperwork well that is a different question. Saying that, the basic knowledge is readily available online to all aspects of the above statement. An individual with a little research can quite easily understand what should be required to be very competent in testing the basics suitable for our industry, but by some of the comments on this forum either individuals either can’t be bothered to go the extra mile to learn or they do not and may never understand what is required. Are they in the right career?
It may be the wrong place to make my statements (UKWG) but it is a forum for our industry and I suppose the only ones that I am offending (not intentially) are the ones that need to “wake up and smell the coffee” and get their act together.

I don’t agree that there should be legislation for our industry as this usually ends up with individuals having to pay for the privilege, but it would be wrong for us also turn a blind eye to what is going on in the trade. Fortunately many thousands of repairs are carried out daily, with or without safety tests being done and few individuals get hurt.

Should we be self-regulating when there are individuals who couldn’t give a toss? Is it any wonder that we struggle for manufacturers technical info? They only need to look at arguments like this confirm what they say “Competent Persons”

I can see the day that government will see this and create another quango and pull our industry into their fold, taxable of course.

The “megger” thread looks to have had the effect of getting the ball rolling it has highlighted problems, which as a trade we need to address. Martin, Your pdf is excellent and a good basic starter.

Manufacturers of the various test instruments, meggers etc will quite readily provide good basic information on how to use their equipment correctly, and how many of us have them asked for it?

Rant over 😉 please don’t bully me Iv’ e got a head ache

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