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kwatt wrote:Where was it that someone had posted that this was the future?
LOL :rotl:
Well there we have it guys, it’s a fact and the future of things to come I’m afraid. I’ve said all along that when bearings go on these modern split tub jobs that it’s time to throw the machine on the landfill. There is a fortune to be had for those brave enough to mess around with a Hotpoint WMA tub (for example) to stuff in new bearings, tis true, but I’ve never bothered, ever!
I’ve taken a few Zanussi’s apart in my time to free woodscrews, nails, coins and wonderbra’s from jamming the tub. But never had much success in changing drum bearings on those that hasn’t resulted in early failure some year or two later as a rule.
But then from my point of view the reality is that I’m not bothered too much either way about welded drums or split drums when failure occurs. So perhaps I’m not best placed to show any alarm or concern at the recent developments toward manufacturers choosing welded drums as the way forward?
No more than I was when motors were no longer repairable down to component level. Today its either a brush change or a complete new motor? And like bearing changes on split drums the former is a patch-up repair to something that’s worn over many years anyway and the latter a proper job assuming they can stand the cost to replace it?
Horses for courses it’s called…….take your pick?
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Hi, sorry to have to blow another hole in the sinking ship called “sealed tubs” , i have changed about 20 0f the Electrolux group sealed tubs in the last year.
My observations are that the 1200 has a much higher failure rate than the 1000 , all of the machines were less than 1 year old , save 1 which was 3 weeks over the year . Half the machines were only washing for 1 or 2 people, many elderly , doing only 3 or 4 washes per week ( bang goes the theory of washing for 5 , over many years ) .
We dismantled one of the units which came in damaged , the quality of the internal componnents are of very poor quality , it had a very lightweight drum spider , and a very thin shaft , slotted through a pair of 6204 bearings . So horrified was i at the fragility of the parts i took it into ken for a look see , a bit of a laugh was had .
The consensus of opinion was that it was a real cheap bit of kit , then we started thinking how could Zanussi , who thought a 1000 spin washer required 6207 and 6206 bearings only a few years ago produce the above . They just seem to have got their timing a wee bit wrong , as they seem to be struggling to last the year ! probably not in the plan !
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Well, when you see the enexorable fall down the price point scale the zanussi badge has had over the past few years it all makes sense.
The spindly spider/tiny bearings dodge has been practiced for many years by the bottom of market players, not such an issue with an 800 spin maybe, but in todays spin speed obsessed market ??
All makes sense to the company accountants no doubt, trouble is, its very tough to build a good brand reputation, but so easy to loose it, as Mercedes found out during its ‘bean counting’ period.
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Well, I’ve just contacted Watchdog via their website:
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Phidom, can you post a transcript of what you said please, then others (like me) can follow.
Cheers,
Steve.
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Sorry, I didn’t keep a copy but I was suggesting they do an investigation into washing machines from the main manufacturers, Hotpoint, Zanussi, Hoover etc. I said that machines were being made with sealed outer drums which could not be dismantled for servicing and a sock caught behind the inner drum can now render the machine beyond economic repair. I went on to say that these drums are constructed with poor quality parts and this is dramatically reducing the life expectency for washing machines.
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Good for you phidom. Let us know if you get a response. Not sure how the rest of us who are interested should play it, reams of similar e mails from engineers might look a bit odd.. or did you tell them the natives were restless on UKW 🙂 ?
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Has anyone suggested that T_I_M should contact Watchdog?:rotl:
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Hoovers outer tubs are still split-able.
What percentage of our work is from changing bearings / removing socks??? Not much I would think???
I think the angle should be more on how long the bearings last not whether you can change them or retrieve the odd sock!!
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timdowning wrote:Hoovers outer tubs are still split-able.
Well not really Tim as the later ones are fully sealed as no doubt you’ll find out soon enough.:wink:
Also the air chamber on the Hoover ones is built-in and not accessible either 🙁
timdowning wrote:What percentage of our work is from changing bearings / removing socks??? Not much I would think???
Well here we have a man after my own heart, nice one Tim and my point exactly all the while.8)
timdowning wrote:I think the angle should be more on how long the bearings last not whether you can change them or retrieve the odd sock!!
Indeed so and as many have stated already, the bearings ain’t doing too good either, now there’s a surprise. 😉
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Well not really Tim as the later ones are fully sealed as no doubt you’ll find out soon enough.
Models HNL7166 and HNWL7166 are my stocked machines and are the latest models. They are stilling coming fresh off the production line with split-able tubs.
What Hoover models have got the sealed tubs?
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I would estimate that bearing / spider jobs account for about 30{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} of my turnover for washing machine work. This is because I charge more labour for these jobs than I would for brushes, pumps etc. No, I didn’t mention UKW in my initial contact mail to Watchdog but I would tell them about the discussions here if they ask for further information.
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if we could tie the tubs in with how calgon and all concentrates just turn the limescale to sludge and block the pressure chambers that cant be cleaned i think they might take notice, we could kill several birds with 1 stone 😉
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