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Well after all the furore and debate we’ve had in recent months over these one piece sealed and welded tubs, I at last have come across my first casualty. 🙁
Zanussi ZWF1221W where the drum has seized solid and the belt snapped. No visual clue as to what has jammed it? No tell tale plastic swarf in the pump or dents in the inner drum? No sign of bearing failure? Drum shaft immovable. Impossible even to force the drive pulley round with a screwdriver or any implement for that matter………stuck solid….buggered even!!!! 😯
Just 18 months old and heading out to the recycling depot as I type no doubt :rolls:
Just another tale from Planet Zanussi 😈
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dont live anywhere near t-i-m do you ?, you could always do your bit too save the earth and recycle it t-i-m,s way lol
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I reckon it will be a nylon ( or other manmade fibre) sock at the back of the drum. They melt during spin then solidify at the end of the cycle to weld everything together.
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A perfect example of why these sealed tubs are a truly awful idea. It does sound like a sock up the back of the drum Martin, something ive seen many times if memory serves..
The move towards this design makes my blood boil, i mean how much can it really save in build cost? Whats next.. plastic motor casings with non changeable brushes moulded in.. plastic inner drums.. you can bet your life they’l do it if its possible & saves a penny.
Sad to say that Electrolux are creeping onto my list of offenders i tell customers to avoid, there’s not a lot left to recommend 😕
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Yes, if these sealed tubs are so much cheaper to manufacture why can’t they pass on some of the savings to us in the price of a replacement assembly. If I could offer a cost effective tub renewal service it would be nicer work than messing about with bits of old broken bearing.
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Hi,
They don’t weld them to save production cost, it’s to make the thing so expensive that it is scrapped and therefore a new machine is purchased thus keeping the factory in full production.Thats also the reason spares are so high in price. Insurance companies are also to blame as they get a new appliance supplied at a bargain price direct from the manufacturer so keep the rest of the premium for the policy AND charge for delivery into the bargain.
All in bed together!!!
Only loser is the customer, us and the environment.
Rant over.
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Whatever their motive, and iv’e a feeling you’re pretty close to the truth robbra, its going to become the norm no doubt.
Well, to look at in a positive way, if these units are failing at around 3 yrs (merloni 👿 ) not sure how long bearings are lasting in other tubs but a non moveable object can ruin a drum at any time, there is gonna be a MASSIVE business opportunity for someone who can work out a way to re-con these at the right price.
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Sadly I don’t think there is a business opportunity there, I’ll explain…
To send a full tank, even on our discounted carriers rates, you’re looking at a minimum of £20 each way to UK Mainland only. So, £40 before you do a repair.
Set of bearings, £5.
Labour, roughly an hour’s worth let’s say it’s cheap at £20.
£65 then a margin, say 20{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} and you’re up to £81.25.
Now add Gordon’s slice, VAT and you’re at £95.46.
Now factor in the ones with goosed drums or drum shafts as a percentage and add that to it as well and you’re easily up over £100.
In other words, I don’t think it’s financially viable and that’s without the setup costs and the costs of the building you’d need to do it in.
Unless someone comes up with a cheap way of allowing you to do it yourself I don’t think it’ll fly I’m afraid. 🙁
K.
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TBH whilst the practicalities of replacing a one piece drum are hardly viable as in this case as I’m convinced missuse was to blame? It will be interesting to realise the longevity of these drum units given the ideal working environment?
Overloading or coins, nails & screws left in pockets are the death nell of this technology that’s for sure. But it remains to see exactly what they will give under the ideal of its design and it’s projected lifespan?
5 years is my guess, which ain’t bad in relation to it’s retail price, but only time will tell on that score 😉
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Getting a number of sealed units with failed bearings at the one year stage. The ones i’ve seen have been with 5 plus people in the family though.
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the only trouble with your predicted 5 year lifespan Martin is 4/5 years is the point an indy engineer gets to pick up a few brush/ pump type jobs as machines come out of warranty.
Oh well, what will be will be.. 😕
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you cant even remove the pressure chamber on indesit sealed tubs either, heres a scenario, got some good news and bad news mrs smith, the good news is its only a blockage of limescale, oh you use calgon do you, well unfortunately mrs smith because of the use of calgon, liquid tabs and cocentrated conditioners and washing at 30 degrees and heres the bad news its gonna cost you £190+ to repair. i think this will be a common scenario pretty soon especially with them using induction motors as well so no more easy brush jobs smartin
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I went to an Indesit where the drum was seized solid. The fault turned out to be a deformed door seal. A new one cured the problem. Maybe Zanussi could have a similar problem.
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so far this year alone i would say i fitted more than 10 sealed tubs, all under 2 years old!, and only a couple from objects in the tub, mostly bearings, supports broken & weights cracked off, maybe someone can call T_I_M for some tips on doing our own bearing changes??
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