Zanussi ZWF1431W bearing replacement?

[T_i_m]

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cockney steve wrote:White vinegar 😉 YES! REALLY! you will probably also need to bleach as well, but white vinegar is good for windows,bathroom tiles and all sorts of stuff…kills black mould and is safe. 😀

Cool and I have some in a squirty dispenser from the pound shop .. used it quite a bit on the lime scale.

just run the machine with some old tea-towels or similar (or empty, even) to wash it out after treating.

Understood Steve. I did get a chance to de-scale the thing when I had it apart, the heater went back gleaming like a very gleamy thing! 😉

So, are you suggesting I might be able to remove the black stains with bleach? I’ve tried scrubbing it whilst wet with Cif (to reduce the risk of floaty spores etc) and whilst that helped it is still quite grim in there? This could be because the PO didn’t dry the seal out or leave the door ajar etc?

All the best ..

T i m

[T_i_m]

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kwatt wrote:I don’t think Jim meant it the way you appear to have taken the comment Tim, you have to remember that we have to also consider the next few hundred people that stumble over this thread.

I took it ok K, maybe I should have put in a smiley or two! 😉

I was genuinely questioning the idea of just leaving it as is .. and asking if that was considered ok ….?

Once bacteria forms it’s a nightmare to get rid of, I must ask Craig who went to Uni and studied bugs and stuff to write a definitive piece on it sometime but, the short of it is, once they take hold they are almost impossible to get rid off. Bleach etc only staves it off and holds it at bay though, it never destroys all trace, some of the little blighters always survive.

Ok thanks. So, a new door seal then .. or am I bolting the stable door here?

[quote:3hsvz41d]Pictures would be interesting though I have to say. 😉

Of the mould K?

All the best ..

T i m

[Penguin45]

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The black stains are actually in the surface of the rubber – they may fade slightly, but you won’t get rid of them.

Regular SERVICE WASH is the only real solution.

Penguin45.

[Martin]

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T_i_m I wonder if you have taken photographs of the various stages of your project to share them with us and anyone that may take your approach in the future?

If so do please lets us see them 😀

Thanks!

[cockney steve]

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Yes, pic’s would be good, Tim.

Was the bond-line of the two halves just on the edges, or was the whole of the mating face bonded? (IIRC, you said there was a seal in a groove around the mating -face of the flanges.)
Certainly good to see someone else defeating the attempts at forcing you to dump stuff.

[kwatt]

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T_i_m wrote:Ok thanks. So, a new door seal then .. or am I bolting the stable door here?

Pretty much, once it’s on there you can keep it at bay with care but the real cure is to replace the seal I’m afraid and to keep it clean.

T_i_m wrote:Of the mould K?

No, the tub. 😉

K.

[T_i_m]

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Penguin45 wrote:The black stains are actually in the surface of the rubber – they may fade slightly, but you won’t get rid of them.

Regular SERVICE WASH is the only real solution.

Penguin45.

Ok, I can live with the look (as most of it is inside the bellows, either side of the centre) as long as it isn’t harmfull in any way?

All the best ..

T i m

[T_i_m]

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Martin wrote:T_i_m I wonder if you have taken photographs of the various stages of your project to share them with us and anyone that may take your approach in the future?

If so do please lets us see them 😀

Thanks!

No, I didn’t Martin sorry. I suppose I wasn’t sure if this was going to be a goer etc? 🙁

I’ll get my daughter to take a pic of what you can still see from the top (especially as I now have the soap tray out and stripped down for a good cleaning), might be enough to see what I did.

All the best ..

T i m

[cockney steve]

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OK, time to COME CLEAN 😳

I’ve got a large commercial bouncy castle…….stored away damp at season’s end……next spring, it’s covered in black mould.

Bought a couple of bottles of white vinegar at the supermarket and went over the whole structure (by hand, inflated) with a face-flannel and the vinegar.(hint: google “cleaning / white vinegar )

followed it with a hot pressure-wash with a strong alkaline TFR (traffic Film Remover ) soap ,followed by a cold rinse……yes you could still see slight staining, but it saved £1800 worth of kit.

Bleach is cheap, use it full strength (wear rubber gloves…VENTILATION ! ) on the rubber.

residual staining is just cosmetic and I would agree with the Professionals’ opinions…..you can control the growths, but not eliminate them.

💡 start machine cycle….when it’s got enough water in it to foll the sump-hose and pump, pour in a pint or two of vinegar via the soap dispenser.

The hot, vinegary wash should go a long way to cleaning and purifying.
Vinegar contains Ethanoic acid (acetic acid )…germicidal!

IMHO, “cif” is a waste of time and cash…it’s just a detergent and a fine abrasive…generic “cream cleaner ” is just as effective at a quarter the price, BUT not for this job! the rubber is porous,the abrasive “grinds ” the dirt off the surface of the high-spots, but can’t abrade the pores…so that’s why you need bleach/vinegar.- Anew seal will soon get contaminated,so don’t waste time and cash.

you’ve nothing to lose trying the bleach/vinegar routine

[T_i_m]

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cockney steve wrote:Yes, pic’s would be good, Tim.

Was the bond-line of the two halves just on the edges, or was the whole of the mating face bonded? (IIRC, you said there was a seal in a groove around the mating -face of the flanges.)

Ok, imagine the mating faces being a ~15mm flange, as would be a flange between two bolt-together steel pipes (like an old water main etc). On one side of that flange and about 3mm in from the inner edge a deep groove (maybe 5mm wide by 8mm deep) and on the mating surface (on the other tub) a 5mm wide by 5mm high triangle section that would have aligned directly over and into the groove.

When I cut the tub in half I tried to cut as neatly through the actual joint face as I could, so actually cut the triangular ‘lip’ off that tub (it nearly came out as a complete tub sidzed ring ).

To rebuild the assembly I carefully realigned the two halves, clamped them together with several mini Mole grips and drilled through the unused bolt lugs with a close fitting clearance drill for the 5mm x 70mm stainless bolts (I actually wanted 60mm but they only had 70).

I then refitted the bearings, seal and drum, then painstakenly pushed a 12mm diameter neoprene seal into the groove, joining the ends with some superglue (at the top of the tub). I then stacked 3 x 55mm ss washers over each hole (superglued to the tub and each other) then went over the top of the fland + seal and other plain tub half face with a good smear of CT1. I then slid bolts with washers through all holes, fitted washers and nyloc ss nuts and went round first with an electric screwdriver and finished off with a 1/4″ sq drive mini socket set.

The next day I trimmed off the excess with a sharp knife, the rest you know. 😉

Certainly good to see someone else defeating the attempts at forcing you to dump stuff.

Thanks for the support Steve. 😉
It’s something I’ve done since I was about 8. People would give me broken stuff to ‘play with’ (radios, record players, electric drills etc) and I would often get them going then clean them up and give them back (much to their surprise)!

At woodwork in school I didn’t want a bathroom cabinet or some book ends so built a 6′ rowing dinghy. The kitcar we built 18 years ago has just gone though another MOT. 😉

My Dell laptop was given to me as ‘broken’ with a failed backlight (a new CCFL from the UK was £65 and £25 from the States, inc delivery!).

I kept the Sierra Estate going for 23 years and the 1/2″ tonne goods trailer I built when I had a MkII Escort (Company Car) is still serving me well.

Yes, we could have bought a new washing machine but then we wouldn’t have any money to spend on more interesting things! 😉

All the best ..

T i m

[kwatt]

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cockney steve wrote:you’ve nothing to lose trying the bleach/vinegar routine

Very true Steve, but a proper cleaning regime would negate the problem in the first place. 😉

Or buy an ISE10 which just doesn’t have the problem. 😉 😆

K.

[T_i_m]

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cockney steve wrote:OK, time to COME CLEAN 😳

I’ve got a large commercial bouncy castle…….stored away damp at season’s end……next spring, it’s covered in black mould.

Bought a couple of bottles of white vinegar at the supermarket and went over the whole structure (by hand, inflated) with a face-flannel and the vinegar.(hint: google “cleaning / white vinegar )

followed it with a hot pressure-wash with a strong alkaline TFR (traffic Film Remover ) soap ,followed by a cold rinse……yes you could still see slight staining, but it saved £1800 worth of kit.

But isn’t that PVC Steve? It doesn’t seem to stain as deeply as this washing machine rubber for some reason?

Bleach is cheap, use it full strength (wear rubber gloves…VENTILATION ! ) on the rubber.

Ok, will do. I’ll get some tomorrow.

residual staining is just cosmetic and I would agree with the Professionals’ opinions…..you can control the growths, but not eliminate them.

Ok. Sfunny, I can’t remember the old Lavamat suffering so? Maybe it was how we looked after it .. or possibly the rubber was ‘different’ or better quality (as Iadom suggested)?

💡 start machine cycle….when it’s got enough water in it to foll the sump-hose and pump, pour in a pint or two of vinegar via the soap dispenser.

The hot, vinegary wash should go a long way to cleaning and purifying.
Vinegar contains Ethanoic acid (acetic acid )…germicidal!

You don’t have shares in a vinegar factory do you Steve!? 😉

IMHO, “cif” is a waste of time and cash…it’s just a detergent and a fine abrasive…generic “cream cleaner ” is just as effective at a quarter the price, BUT not for this job! the rubber is porous,the abrasive “grinds ” the dirt off the surface of the high-spots, but can’t abrade the pores…so that’s why you need bleach/vinegar.- Anew seal will soon get contaminated,so don’t waste time and cash.

That’s what I wanted to hear. 😉

you’ve nothing to lose trying the bleach/vinegar routine

So where *is* your vinegar factory Steve! ? 😉 I actually soaked the heater element in ordinary vinegar and it worked very well (all be it a bit smelly). The clear stuff isn’t doing such a good job on the lime scale in the soap tray but then I think it’s one of those things that really needs a good quantity of the stuff and some time …

All the best ..

T i m

[T_i_m]

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kwatt wrote:

cockney steve wrote:
you’ve nothing to lose trying the bleach/vinegar routine

Very true Steve, but a proper cleaning regime would negate the problem in the first place. 😉

Or buy an ISE10 which just doesn’t have the problem. 😉 😆

K.

We were considering an ISE as the next option, should the Zanussi project not work (and it’s still early days) and especially in light of the AWD12 self-destructing in the couple of months we have had it (from about 3 years old).

However, I’m not sure we would go to a 10 and don’t some other machines come with 2 year warranties anyway (as per the ISE2)? Ok, the parts might not be as cheap when that expires (unlike the ISE stuff) but some spares seem quite cheap in any case (it’s just the expensive stuff that’s expensive .. like some motors etc)?

So, does the ISE10 not suffer as per other machines because the door is mounted directly on the tub?

All the best ..

T i m

[cockney steve]

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Very true Steve, but a proper cleaning regime would negate the problem in the first place. Wink

Or buy an ISE10 which just doesn’t have the problem. Wink Laughing

Agreed, with these modern, low temp. washing-cycles, the machines themselves have to be “laundered” on a regular basis.

no reason to be ashamed plugging what is almost certainly the best-value for money machine on the UK market. (OK, some Miele models may be cheaper, but AFAIK the guarantee is shorter than the ISE 10 and their parts prices will make your eyes water.

But isn’t that PVC Steve? It doesn’t seem to stain as deeply as this washing machine rubber for some reason?

yes, but shiny yellow /red/blue/green PVC shows it a lot worse than grey rubber.

Ok. Sfunny, I can’t remember the old Lavamat suffering so? Maybe it was how we looked after it .. or possibly the rubber was ‘different’ or better quality (as Iadom suggested)?

see remark regarding wash-temps-also I’ve a gut-feeling the present door-seals have a softer,less shiny surface than the old ones.

(Bronco V Andrex) 😯

So where *is* your vinegar factory Steve! ? Wink I actually soaked the heater element in ordinary vinegar and it worked very well (all be it a bit smelly)

No factory! though Sarsons is about 7 miles away
It’s cheap, effective, non-toxic,food-safe. yes, Malt vinegar can stain and is smellier. 😛

On one side of that flange and about 3mm in from the inner edge a deep groove (maybe 5mm wide by 8mm deep) and on the mating surface (on the other tub) a 5mm wide by 5mm high triangle section that would have aligned directly over and into the groove.

So, the triangular ,concentric ridge would centre the two flanges,thus saving a spigot on one half and a corresponding socket on the other…..but was the whole of the faces bonded, or was it just the outer”rims” that were fused together. *thinks , turn about 5MM off the edge, in a big lathe and the tub would fall into 2 halves.* ??

Thanks for keeping us up with the saga….(though it’s a shame you didn’t document it.) 🙂

[T_i_m]

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iadom wrote:manky door seals 😉

As an aside, would it be possible to see some pictures of your handywork?

Close ups of the joint etc.

Jim.

I have this one but I’m not sure it shows much?

http://tinyurl.com/5b8zjj

All the best ..

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