Zanussi ZWF1431W bearing replacement?

[T_i_m]

Re: Zanussi ZWF1431W bearing replacement?

So, the triangular ,concentric ridge would centre the two flanges,thus saving a spigot on one half and a corresponding socket on the other…..

Erm no, I think the triangular ridge was to push against the sealing strip that would normally sit in the groove.

but was the whole of the faces bonded, or was it just the outer”rims” that were fused together.

I think it was all that would ‘bond’ Steve. Because without the seal the ridge was just dangling in the groove I don’t think there was anything for that to fix to.

*thinks , turn about 5MM off the edge, in a big lathe and the tub would fall into 2 halves.* ??

Not quite, cut a very fine slot of varying penetration (the flange ‘cut’ varies from 15 mm to about 30 deep) but at a constant radius from the centre around 90{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} of the tub, then work out what to do around the heater fitting / hump. A way I thought of doing it with more control would be a small thin circular saw (surgical possibly) running on two blocks. You would have to have several lengths of block, some with undercuts to get round all the lugs and bosses.

Now I know better how it was joined in the factory, I reckon I could cut it by hand, leaving the ridge and using a thinner blade create a narrower saw cut so less shortening of the tub length.

Thanks for keeping us up with the saga….(though it’s a shame you didn’t document it.) 🙂

It’s my pleasure Steve, and a big ‘thank you’ to you and all the others here for your advice, warnings and suggestions (and Dave for a good spares service). You never know, I may still have to take it to bits again and I’ll promise I’ll take some pictures if I do! 😉

FWIW I got the tub seal from here: (~£10)
http://www.sealsdirect.co.uk/

The sealed bearings from here: (~£18)
http://simplybearings.co.uk/shop/

The grease was: Millergrease D180 (used for stern glands on boats) bought from a local car spares place. (given to me)

The ‘sealant’ was CT1 (~£8)
http://www.ctecuk.co.uk/

The stainless nut n bolts were from a local machine screw and tools stockist. (~£5)

The main drum seal was from Dave (of this very site / ~£8)

A breakfast for my mate for getting the machine in his van (~£10)

A bottle of wine to the Freecycler who gave it away (~£5).

The satisfaction in doing the project (for all sorts of reasons), priceless (while it lasts anyway)! 😉

All the best and thanks again ..

T i m

[iadom]

Re: Zanussi ZWF1431W bearing replacement?

T_i_m wrote:

I have this one but I’m not sure it shows much?

http://tinyurl.com/5b8zjj

All the best ..

T i m[/img]

That looks quite sound, time will tell I suppose. Really thinking about it, its a pity you didn’t photograph all the various stages, I suppose you could always take it apart and rebuild it for us. 😆

Jim.

[T_i_m]

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iadom wrote:

T_i_m wrote:

I have this one but I’m not sure it shows much?

http://tinyurl.com/5b8zjj

All the best ..

T i m[/img]

That looks quite sound,

Thanks, the CT1 sealant is only a backup for the main physical seal, formed by the round neoprene section. If needed (leaks) I could always add some sealant to the outside of the joint and / or even tape, as has been mentioned previously.

[quote:e7ik1z0t]time will tell I suppose.

Yup, and I’m not actually fully counting my chickens yet! My thoughts are .. unless there is a catostrophic failure (like the two tub sections tearing apart) and with my seals in place, the worst I’m going to get is a damp floor. It can’t flood anywhere that matters as as soon as the water goes anywhere near the main house it will pour through the floorboards. 😉

Really thinking about it, its a pity you didn’t photograph all the various stages,

Yes, I suppose it is, but as I mentioned elsewhere because this was a complete exploration into the unknown and the noises I got back from here were hinting it was probably all likely to end in tears I didn’t bother. Ironically I normally do photo document with such things .. 🙁

I suppose you could always take it apart and rebuild it for us. 😆

Well I suppose I could Jim .. 😉

The point is I actually could .. (I’m not going to btw, before you start ordering the prints ) and apart from the sawing in half illusion bit it really is just a split tub machine now?

All the best ..

T i m

p.s. I’m probably going to close the machine up and put it in place properly today … then to get to work on the AWD12 bearings. If you want pictures say so now! 😉

[kwatt]

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T_i_m wrote:However, I’m not sure we would go to a 10 and don’t some other machines come with 2 year warranties anyway (as per the ISE2)? Ok, the parts might not be as cheap when that expires (unlike the ISE stuff) but some spares seem quite cheap in any case (it’s just the expensive stuff that’s expensive .. like some motors etc)?

Yes some others do indeed come with a two year warranty but do the math Tim.

2 years warranty but let’s assume 4 years out of a machine at £270…

Over 20 years (the lifespan we reckon is the minimum) from an ISE10 it will cost you 5 machines which is approximately 250kg of scrapped machine, 5 days off or whatever to wait in on the new one and £1350 in raw cost not including the days off, delivery costs, parts cost or anything else.

ISE10 = £800. Done.

Even if it is scrapped after 20 years it’s about 80kg.

Added to which you get improved performance, quieter (generally), improved wash times and ease of use as well as the other benefits. So, it makes sense economically, use wise and ecologically. Granted it’s not as cheap up front, but good things in life rarely are.

But extend this to the 25-30 year life we really expect from a 10 and you can perhaps understand why I’d say that the 10, whilst perhaps a little more upfront, is by far and away, the cheapest option in reality. The only real thing for people to decide is whether they want to save a few quid now and have a reduced performance or pay more in the longer term and accept the downsides to that.

T_i_m wrote:So, does the ISE10 not suffer as per other machines because the door is mounted directly on the tub?

Correct, there is no seal in the traditional sense and therefore the 10 does not suffer from this problem at all.

HTH

K.

[T_i_m]

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kwatt wrote:

T_i_m wrote:
However, I’m not sure we would go to a 10 and don’t some other machines come with 2 year warranties anyway (as per the ISE2)? Ok, the parts might not be as cheap when that expires (unlike the ISE stuff) but some spares seem quite cheap in any case (it’s just the expensive stuff that’s expensive .. like some motors etc)?

Yes some others do indeed come with a two year warranty but do the math Tim.

I’m no good at maths .. I like spanners and stuff! 😉

2 years warranty but let’s assume 4 years out a machine at £270…

Over 20 years (the lifespan we reckon is the minimum) from an ISE10 it will cost you 5 machines which is approximately 250kg of scrapped machine, 5 days off or whatever to wait in on the new one and £1350 in raw cost not including the days off, delivery costs, parts cost or anything else.

Ah, see, I don’t do that waiting in thing do I K. I fix things myself as / when they go wrong. This was a point that several of my mates raised when we were all earning little and trying to buy houses etc. They asked me how I could afford to be sorting a house AND racing RC cars, sailing, running various cars etc etc. The answer of course is I never had to pay anyone to do any of it for me! 😉

ISE10 = £800. Done.

Even if it is scrapped after 20 years it’s about 80kg.

Yep, sounds impressive granted (especially from the ecology pov), but not what I would be looking for (as a package, not unless the engineer actually moves in with us that is) 😉

Added to which you get improved performance, quieter (generally), improved wash times and ease of use as well as the other benefits. So, it makes sense economically, use wise and ecologically. Granted it’s not as cheap up front, but good things in life rarely are.

My ZWF 1431W might prove to be 😉

But extend this to the 25-30 year life we really expect from a 10 and you can perhaps understand why I’d say that the 10, whilst perhaps a little more upfront, is by far and away, the cheapest option in reality. The only real thing for people to decide is whether they want to save a few quid now and have a reduced performance or pay more in the longer term and accept the downsides to that.

True. But does anyone *these days* (outside of here of course) want to commit to anything for that long? People rip out / throw away stuff because it’s the wrong colour or not ‘in fashion’ (and ironically the sort of folk who could easily stump up for a 10 but would still throw it away (not even recycle it) in 5 years). It doesn’t have to be broken to be discarded any more so how can you ‘sell’ the idea of vfm or longevity (let alone ecology) to those sorts of folk? 🙁

Don’t get me wrong K, (as you know from my actions) I’m very much with you here.

Do you know what would hold *me* off buying an ISE should I need a new machine … the fact that I would have to have delivered, installed and maintained by someone else! (but I understand why this is the case etc).

Like with the kitcar we built, do you think I would want anyone else repairing a car we built, potentially applying the attention to detail no one doing such things for a living (with all work locked to time limits today etc) could apply as we would?

I’m not saying I’m perfect or that no one could do stuff as well as I could but I actually ‘like’ repairing (and making) my own stuff and prefer to do so in most cases. (the main rason I’m prevented from doing all my own stuff is the law these days. Like, I installed all the gas appliences in this house 30 years ago and have serviced them all along the way. Why would *I* be any less comptitent to do the same today?

So, tell me where I can collect my ISE machine please and then, later, give me access to the spares at the right prices (as I won’t need to call on the warranty anyway will I) and we are all happy! 😉

All the best ..

T i m

[kwatt]

If you read through here you’ll find that most people will expect 8 years or more from a machine at least. Trouble is with most that people buy, especially those of the cheaper flavours, you won’t get that and often nowhere near it.

Problem is Tim, you’re not normal and most people don’t want the hassle or have the skill and/or inclination to self-repair.

Asides from which insurance companies (including liability insurers) won’t wear us letting what they consider to be unskilled people poking about inside a machine that carries 240V. Something about claims for injury and death… 😉

K.

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