Zanussi ZWF1431W bearing replacement?

[kwatt]

Re: Zanussi ZWF1431W bearing replacement?

T_i_m wrote:So the two part tub that’s listed as a spare for my machine is different to the two parts that have obviously been glued together on my machine?

No, if it’s a sealed tank the spares will not be available, period.

K.

[T_i_m]

Re: Zanussi ZWF1431W bearing replacement?

No, if it’s a sealed tank the spares will not be available, period.

Ok. So, there has never been a model that shares the same key components that had a split tub then K?

Or is there even more to it?

All the best ..

T i m

p.s. Is this wrong as well as eSpares then (Partsmaster, 7th item down)?

http://tinyurl.com/25actl

ZWF1431W PCN 914521201/00

[kwatt]

Re: Zanussi ZWF1431W bearing replacement?

If it’s a sealed tank that you have Tim then no, none of the spares will be the same. Totally different beasts component wise.

If it is a split tank there will be a commonality in them all, but things like mounting points, cut out positions and sizes may vary.

I don’t know if that’s correct or not, I don’t work from the various sites like that which don’t give you the actual part number. That’s so it’s hard to compare prices BTW. :rolls:

However if you look at the picture you can see all the holes round the edge where the screws go, yes? If yours doesn’t have those then that won’t fit and, even were it possible to substitute a split tank for a sealed one, you would need a front half and drum as well at the very least i expect.

I’d wait and look it up properly using the pukka Electrolux TDS disc or the online service, neither of which I have access to here at home. Dave will likely answer you at some stage today or early tomorrow though.

K.

[helo_75]

ok, there is a bulletin from zanussi on the online setup…. if your machine has a welded tub, then u have to buy, front,back, inner tub.. seal.. all the bolts that screw it together

VERY expensive, pointless, and nothing else fits

go and buy a new one, because i did one, ordered everything they said, fit em, and it leaked onto the motor and blew up and had to be replaced

comets price for parts? well over £400

its because the welded tubs were only used in production, and not available as a service part

another classic example of manufacturers building to price again, which is surprising from zanussi

[kwatt]

helo_75 wrote:its because the welded tubs were only used in production, and not available as a service part

Thanks Helo.

That’s even worse, that’s like screaming, “scrap it if it breaks at all!”, utterly stupid.

It would also explain why the original insurers wrote it off if this is the case.

K.

[T_i_m]

Re: Zanussi ZWF1431W bearing replacement?

kwatt wrote:If it’s a sealed tank that you have Tim then no, none of the spares will be the same. Totally different beasts component wise.

Doh!

If it is a split tank there will be a commonality in them all, but things like mounting points, cut out positions and sizes may vary.

Ok ..

I don’t know if that’s correct or not, I don’t work from the various sites like that which don’t give you the actual part number. That’s so it’s hard to compare prices BTW. :rolls:

You can’t blame them I guess.

However if you look at the picture you can see all the holes round the edge where the screws go, yes?

Yes ..

If yours doesn’t have those then that won’t fit and, even were it possible to substitute a split tank for a sealed one, you would need a front half and drum as well at the very least i expect.

Well, mine looks like it does have all the holes K. Every couple of inches or so around the joint there are the ‘tubes’ where the hex headed shouldered bolts would be, except on mine they are blind. There are also other alignment pegs etc, like it was designed to be a two piece system then simply glued together. FWIW, all of the mounting, support and bearing function is done on the back half, the only ‘load’ the front half carries is the counterweight (and I should imagine at 1400 rpm the dynamic loads could still be quite high). eSpares quoted for the matching front half.

I’d wait and look it up properly using the pukka Electrolux TDS disc or the online service, neither of which I have access to here at home. Dave will likely answer you at some stage today or early tomorrow though.

Well thank you both in advance for your time here and I do appreciate everyones efforts very much.

I’m happy to keep on with this because I believe our base cause is the same, keeping potentially good equipment out of landfill. Yesterday I did two loads on this machine, a pair of coats and some greasy work clothes. Both sets came out looking and smelling clean and have since been through the recently repaired Zanussi TD-534 dryer. So, there I am looking into this perfectly clean (‘as-new’, inside and out), perfectly functional (ignoring the bearing noise on spin) washer and thinking there must be a solution…

Depending on what we do today I might do some work on this machine. My first task will be to remove the tub (tips please??) and then consider how I might cut it open so as to remove the minimum material and not touch the drum. Once that is in two I can remove the drum, bearings and seal see what I have actually got (I have multi leggged bearing pullers, a 10 tonne hydraulic press, most other workshop tools a lathe and MIG, Gas and Arc. Oh, and a big hammer!) I’m also an electronics and electrical engineer and am happy whilst playing with electricity, water and gas (none can hurt you if switched off) 😉

I’m not sure if the blind bolt ‘lugs’ we mentioned above contain anything (like steel alignment pegs or self gripping double ended fastners) and that would depend on how these two sections were joined. If they were friction welded I suspect the lugs are empty. If they were pre-heated or solvent welded then the lugs may contain something. It will be easy enough to cut through one with a junior hacksaw to find out though. Even if they do contain something I should imagine they can be removed to leave clean hollow lugs that I would re-fasten using stainless steel bolts and nyloc nuts. Assuming the bolts do all the physical work (as with any split tub) then I’m wondering if some decent silicone (adhesive rather than bathroom sealant) might make a sufficient watertight seal, after all it’s not under any water pressure.

Anyway, I’ll cross those bridges if / as / when I come to them. 😉

All the best ..

T i m

p.s. Would you be so kind to comment on my previous thoughts re ISE please K (or anyone). To make it easy to find I said:

“Ok, I was going to ask .. so I buy a new ISE machine (a std production maxhine from XYZ that’s had some bits tweeked) and it get’s installed etc all in (I’ve never had anything delivered or installed, prefering to do both myself). I get a ‘free’ 2, 5 or 10 year warranty (? depending on model), again something I’ve never bought on any appliance.

What *I* want from (say) a washing machine is one that works well (it doesn’t have to be the best), works reliably for at least (allowing for todays drop in pride / quality etc) 5 years and during and after that period I would like to be able to buy spares at the prices you offer.

If that is what I would get from an ISE machine then you can count me in”.

p.p.s. Looking at the drawings for the ISE machines I see they also use the plastic tub but I would assume, not one piece!

[Washman]

Re: Zanussi ZWF1431W bearing replacement?

Hi

The welded tub and the split tub use different suspension components.

Mike

[T_i_m]

Re: Zanussi ZWF1431W bearing replacement?

Washman wrote:Hi

The welded tub and the split tub use different suspension components.

Mike

Ah … bummer. 🙁

Ok, on this there are two white (air?) dampers nearly vertical, mounted to farly large webs at either side of the rear tub moulding (at the centre join) and down to either side of the case / bottom chassis. At the top and in similar locations (top ‘corners’) two open half-length springs attached to the top crossmember and again onto the rear tub moulding (fairly small lugs)?

I know it’s more cost but assuming the mounting points in the cabinet were available (universal to some degree?) then would the ‘alternative’ compents be useable?

All this points to the least cost option of just splitting and re-joining the current tub .. what have I got to lose apart from some time (I’ll test it in the garden so it won’t matter if it leaks ..) 😉

Would there be the actual part numbers on the two halves of my existing tub somewhere Mike? It would be interesting to see if they really are different from the tubs designed to remain split (which I believe many of you are suggesting is probably the case) but then the difference could just be if the lugs are drilled through or not etc .. ?

All the best ..

T i m

[Martin]

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T_i_m wrote:All this points to the least cost option of just splitting and re-joining the current tub .. what have I got to lose apart from some time (I’ll test it in the garden so it won’t matter if it leaks ..) 😉

What a fascinating read this thread is. 😀

I would imagine that the two halves are ‘welded’ using an adhesive bonding process where the adhesive fuses the two halves together. That the leading edges fuse into one and are therefore impossible to seperate?

Here’s a view of a modern welded tub by the way (in this example a Candy) 😉

[T_i_m]

Re: Zanussi ZWF1431W bearing replacement?

Martin wrote:

T_i_m wrote:
All this points to the least cost option of just splitting and re-joining the current tub .. what have I got to lose apart from some time (I’ll test it in the garden so it won’t matter if it leaks ..) 😉

What a fascinating read this thread is. 😀

Really?

[quote:326ivo6q] I would imagine that the two halves are ‘welded’ using an adhesive bonding process where the adhesive fuses the two halves together. That the leading edges fuse into one and are therefore impossible to seperate?

Understood, I hadn’t considered seperating the two halves, more cutting them apart (through the fused line). ie, I know it’s not going to crack open along the seam etc.

Here’s a view of a modern welded tub by the way (in this example a Candy) 😉

Ah, thanks for that Martin. Now that tub looks like it was designed from the offset to be one piece. Mine however looks like one that was designed to be bolted together and then fused instead.

All the best ..

T i m

[kwatt]

Re: Zanussi ZWF1431W bearing replacement?

T_i_m wrote:p.s. Would you be so kind to comment on my previous thoughts re ISE please K (or anyone). To make it easy to find I said:

Sure..

T_i_m wrote:“Ok, I was going to ask .. so I buy a new ISE machine (a std production maxhine from XYZ that’s had some bits tweeked) and it get’s installed etc all in (I’ve never had anything delivered or installed, prefering to do both myself). I get a ‘free’ 2, 5 or 10 year warranty (? depending on model), again something I’ve never bought on any appliance.

What *I* want from (say) a washing machine is one that works well (it doesn’t have to be the best), works reliably for at least (allowing for todays drop in pride / quality etc) 5 years and during and after that period I would like to be able to buy spares at the prices you offer.

If that is what I would get from an ISE machine then you can count me in”.

p.p.s. Looking at the drawings for the ISE machines I see they also use the plastic tub but I would assume, not one piece!

The cost of the warranty is included in the price and each one reflects the price, features and build.

The reason that we deliver and install is to satisfy the insurers and to ensure that the machines are correctly installed. A huge number of service calls generated in the first four weeks of ownership are down to simple misinstallation or educational calls. If an actual service engineer does it these annoyances are massively reduced which saves everyone hassle.

ISE machines are designed to be as sustainable as possible over a long period of time as well as jump through the usual performance hoops. So we look for good quality build and materials as well as good performance and ease of use. Well performing easy to use machines tend to be liked more by people, in other words simple to program and does the job well.

Part of the sustainability side of it is to make spare parts available as cheaply as we can, that way we encourage people to keep the machines longer and that’s the idea. They don’t break any more (less actually than many on evidence thus far) like some people would like to make out but when they do break, as all machines will eventually, they are designed to be easy and cheap to put right.

We use plastic outer tanks on the 2 and 5 and it’s high grade rolled stainless on the 10.

Very roughly, the 2 has a life expectancy of about 7-10 years. The 5, about 10-15 years and the 10 somewhere between 23-35 years depending on the use in all cases obviously but that’s what I’d reasonably expect in normal use.

HTH

K.

[T_i_m]

Re: Zanussi ZWF1431W bearing replacement?

The cost of the warranty is included in the price and each one reflects the price, features and build.

Ok, given the choice *I* would rather have a cheaper purchase price, the std 1 year warranty (on the grounds that most things that are going to go wrong will do so in the fist few months) and cheap spares after that.

The reason that we deliver and install is to satisfy the insurers and to ensure that the machines are correctly installed. A huge number of service calls generated in the first four weeks of ownership are down to simple misinstallation or educational calls. If an actual service engineer does it these annoyances are massively reduced which saves everyone hassle.

Understood. And when the engineer has gone I will set the machine up better myself . Joking aside, something I’ve slowly come to undersand (accept?) over my 51 years is no one is (or can afford to commercially) pay as much attention to detail as a competent person can his/her self. My Dad taught me a good saying .. “Whatever you do do do do well” and I try to live by that no matter if I am putting the bins out for me or fixing someones car or PC. Any lowering of my standards is normally down to the owner saying ‘that’s fine’ or ‘don’t bother with that’ and even then I may well follow it through to my own satisfaction if I feel it is appropriate (like it might save me having to do it again in the near future).

ISE machines are designed to be as sustainable as possible over a long period of time as well as jump through the usual performance hoops. So we look for good quality build and materials as well as good performance and ease of use. Well performing easy to use machines tend to be liked more by people, in other words simple to program and does the job well.

Excellent (as Mr Burns would say) 😉

Part of the sustainability side of it is to make spare parts available as cheaply as we can, that way we encourage people to keep the machines longer and that’s the idea.

And that (just to be sure) includes supplying the parts at said low prices to the end user, outside the waranty period (inside they would be supplied and fitted FOC)?

They don’t break any more (less actually than many on evidence thus far) like some people would like to make out but when they do break, as all machines will eventually, they are designed to be easy and cheap to put right.

Any thoughts of going to direct drive in the near future K?

We use plastic outer tanks on the 2 and 5 and it’s high grade rolled stainless on the 10.

And no sealed drums for ISE of course!

Very roughly, the 2 has a life expectancy of about 7-10 years. The 5, about 10-15 years and the 10 somewhere between 23-35 years depending on the use in all cases obviously but that’s what I’d reasonably expect in normal use.

Then I would probably go for the 2 or at a push the 5.

I’ll explain. I have been building and maintaining PC’s for the last 20 years (amongst other things) and I have never bought a factory made PC for myself or most of my family in that period (excluding laptops of course).

I recently bought an Apple Mac Mini for our daughter because at the time she was doing a 3D Design L3 BTEC and it was good for her to be able to practice what she had learned at College at home.

I bought it via John Lewis because, unlike PC’s I can’t get easy access to the spares so would be reliant on ‘others’ to fix this machine, something that leaves me quite uncomfortable (I’ll explain that further should anyone be interested).

The flip side of this 2 year waranty was I was then reluctant to touch / upgrade this Mac (as I would normally do with a home made PC and without hesitation) for fear of invalidating the warranty (but I did so anyway). 😉

All the best and thanks again …

T i m

[madrat]

Re: Zanussi ZWF1431W bearing replacement?

What about the heater on these sealed tubs. Are they removable

[helo_75]

of course they are

[madrat]

Re: Zanussi ZWF1431W bearing replacement?

So you could use that hole to remove something stuck in the drum. Not ideal but posible. Dosnt solve the bearing problems though

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