Zanussi ZWF1431W bearing replacement?

[T_i_m]

kwatt wrote:Out the back if it’s a split cabinet. 😉

K.

It actually came out of the front quite easily .. well .. it came out of the front .. 😉

I removed (from memory and some entertainment for the pro’s here) 😉

Top and rear panels.

The motor and any hoses that joined the tub.

The door catch assy.

The front top electric panel (rhs plastic lug broke off as I undid the screw). I had previously noted the left hand digits on the display looked a bit blurred so might have a look in there a bit later to see if water has got in there. Anther design modification needed if it has.

The large clip retaining the door seal to the front panel.

The front panel (Torx screws underneath).

The inlet pipe from the door seal and door seal from the tub.

Because it looked like it was going to make the tub removal difficult (heavy), I took the concrete weight off the tub.

The lower damper units (just top pins).

The top support springs (luckily our daughter happened to walk by) 😉

I actually cut the tub in half slowly (along the existing seam) using a coarse blade on my Bosch Sabre saw, taking care not to touch the drum.

Question for those with access to the parts lists if I may (I believe our Dave did suggest it wasn’t but I didn’t have the drum out at the time) ..

The number on the spider is: 124026003. Is this definitely *not* the same drum as would be used in the spit tub versions please?

All the best ..

T i m

[Penguin45]

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The problem is that the complete tub assembly has no parts listing beyond the one for the unit. There is a secondary list of components if you wished to build the tub unit up from scratch. BUT there is no guarantee that the parts actually interchange………

Penguin45.

[T_i_m]

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Penguin45 wrote:The problem is that the complete tub assembly has no parts listing beyond the one for the unit. There is a secondary list of components if you wished to build the tub unit up from scratch. BUT there is no guarantee that the parts actually interchange………

Penguin45.

Ah, ok thanks. So, does 124026003 come up as the same drum component as the drum as used in the built up unit can you tell please? (And are you saying that EVEN if it did show the same part number it may not be the exact same part ?)

In case it’s different, the spares system I’m most familiar with (motorbikes) the same part and therefore part number could be used for many models over many years but only if it was the exact same (or functionally equivelent) component?

All the best and thanks ..

T i m

[cockney steve]

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In case it’s different, the spares system I’m most familiar with (motorbikes) the same part and therefore part number could be used for many models over many years but only if it was the exact same (or functionally equivelent) component?

ha ha ! try the motor-trade! the Jaguar XJ series traced their lineage back through the Mark10….Ihad occasion to order some suspension mounts and the part-number was supersesde at EVERY model-change the component was used..NO cross-reference, so you had to laboriously look up each supersession, only to find it,too had been superseded….after half an hour you got the current number……..and found they were on back-order!

[T_i_m]

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cockney steve wrote:

In case it’s different, the spares system I’m most familiar with (motorbikes) the same part and therefore part number could be used for many models over many years but only if it was the exact same (or functionally equivelent) component?

ha ha ! try the motor-trade! the Jaguar XJ series traced their lineage back through the Mark10….Ihad occasion to order some suspension mounts and the part-number was supersesde at EVERY model-change the component was used..NO cross-reference, so you had to laboriously look up each supersession, only to find it,too had been superseded….after half an hour you got the current number……..and found they were on back-order!

😉

All the best ..

T i m

[iadom]

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cockney steve wrote

Jim, have you ever stuck a bare forearm on the windowsill of the car on a HOT day?….Sikaflex is a structural bond,they use it for car glass because it makes the pane part of the stress-bearing structure (it’s very strong in tension or compression,doesn’t like bending or torsion, though. (the glass, that is!) If you have a browse on the net, you’ll see that there are various grades, they even do marine grades,which withstand heat, salt, UV, abrasion etc.

household detergent is a walk in the park for this stuff. (barsteward to remove, though, magnitudes tougher than silicone.

I was actually referring to the various types of grease being suggested to pack the bearings rather than what adhesives would provide a suitable bond for the drum. 😉

[cockney steve]

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I was actually referring to the various types of grease being suggested to pack the bearings

OOPS! sorry, Jim. 😳

Yup, the “white brake grease” IIRC, Castrol call it “brake bisector grease”

is used inside drum-brakes,where it has to withstand high temps. also ,externally on the cables/linkages,it is subject to water and dirt. It’s like a thin cream and is very low migration (doesn’t creep away significantly)

The heavy slide-grease that Tim was considering, is used on lorry 5th. wheels, and stuff like that…thick dirty, glutinous stuff…and I think it’s HMP (high melting point) as well.

[iadom]

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But is it detergent resistant?

[cockney steve]

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I highly doubt that ANY grease is significantly more detergent-resistant than any other 🙂

bet the bearings are all standard components….so they’ll be 1/8 to 3/8 -filled with HMP Lithium-based grease (ordinary grease!)

the most important part, as you keep telling people is the sleeve/ferrule/bush/spigot….whatever you call it……the surface the seal runs on.

Too highly polished,it will snag the seal-lip. too coarse a surface and it will rapidly wear or tear the seal…..so the surface -texture has to be just right for a molecular film of water to penetrate the seal/shaft interface and lubricate it.

this necessity also applies to any machinery and car brake and clutch cylinders.

Of course, the texture of the rubber also plays a part.

SO, there should be enough “leakage” to lubricate, not enough to drip or pool!

If water gets past the seal, the bearing is done for! -sooner ,rather than later.

[T_i_m]

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cockney steve wrote:I highly doubt that ANY grease is significantly more detergent-resistant than any other 🙂

bet the bearings are all standard components….so they’ll be 1/8 to 3/8 -filled with HMP Lithium-based grease (ordinary grease!)

the most important part, as you keep telling people is the sleeve/ferrule/bush/spigot….whatever you call it……the surface the seal runs on.

Too highly polished,it will snag the seal-lip. too coarse a surface and it will rapidly wear or tear the seal…..so the surface -texture has to be just right for a molecular film of water to penetrate the seal/shaft interface and lubricate it.

Ok, so, I’ve partly packed behind the seal and between the bearings with that waterproof grease in the hope it will lubricate the seal lips now and again and also resist water ingress in general. It shouldn’t do any harm at least?

Yesterday I fitted a 12mm diameter neoprene seal in the existing seal grove and backed that up with some waterproof jointing compound / sealant / adhesive (CT1) before joining the tub halves together with 17 5mm ss bolts, washers and nylock nuts.

I have previously glued 3 x 5mm ss washer in little stacks over the bolt holes so they would act as spacers between the two tub halves, ensuring some of the sealant stayed in the joint and that the tubs didn’t close up too much, causing the drum to foul the inside of the front tub half.

Just now I trimmed the surplus sealant away, blocked all the pipe entry holes and with the tub assembly set up like a bucket, filled it up with cold water, so far so good. 😉

I’m just about to go and stick the graphics on the tank of the Honda CB “Two Fifty” I’m also doing up (so my mate can laquer over the top) and then back to re-assemble the washing machine (and the first test will be to spin the wet washing we have from when the AWD12 died). At least that will show if the whole thing will stay together without too much water about!

Watch this space .. oh, and if you see a lump of concrete fly past …. 😉

All the best ..

T i m

[T_i_m]

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So,

Daughter and I put the machine together again today (I have been involving her in ‘stuff’ as part of a sort of extended practical life-education). 😉

All went fairly well, no screws stripped, spare or missing.

We first did a couple of rinses to give the machine a general clean out, then spun the stuff that was in the AWD12 when it died yesterday.

We are now doing a full load (still with the back and top off so we can keep an eye on things) but so far it’s looking good .

So, the door seal is quite stained. Should I get a new one and just ensure it’s wiped out after use (or do they all go the same way these days)?

All the best ..

T i m

[iadom]

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manky door seals 😉

As an aside, would it be possible to see some pictures of your handywork?

Close ups of the joint etc.

Jim.

[T_i_m]

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iadom wrote:manky door seals 😉

Erm, thanks for that Iadom?

So, leave whatever culture has set-up home in there and just forget it?

All the best ..

T i m

[cockney steve]

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White vinegar 😉 YES! REALLY! you will probably also need to bleach as well, but white vinegar is good for windows,bathroom tiles and all sorts of stuff…kills black mould and is safe. 😀

just run the machine with some old tea-towels or similar (or empty, even) to wash it out after treating.

[kwatt]

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I don’t think Jim meant it the way you appear to have taken the comment Tim, you have to remember that we have to also consider the next few hundred people that stumble over this thread.

Once bacteria forms it’s a nightmare to get rid of, I must ask Craig who went to Uni and studied bugs and stuff to write a definitive piece on it sometime but, the short of it is, once they take hold they are almost impossible to get rid off. Bleach etc only staves it off and holds it at bay though, it never destroys all trace, some of the little blighters always survive.

Pictures would be interesting though I have to say. 😉

K.

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