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Re: BOSCH CLASSIXX FRIDGE FREEZER – TEMPERATURE LIGHTS FLASH

SAMURI wrote:As Martin said it is best to fully defrost it as it may be ice on one of the sensors the defrost system cannot clear.

By turning it off you just reset the PCB and if it is ice on the evaporator or sensor it will not be working correctly and show as an intermittent fault.

Bob

“Hello Bob”,

Thanks very much for your reply and for the explanation about the possibility of a Sensor being affected by a build up of Ice.

As I have no way to store the Food in my Freezer at the moment I cannot carry out the `Full Defrost` process, I don`t have any Family or Friends living near Me who would have enough room in their Freezers to store my Frozen Food.

Could You let Me know where the Sensors are located within the Freezer – are they likely to be visible if looked for ?

Also could You let Me know what would happen if the `Temperature settings lights flashing` scenario happened when I was out all Day or away from Home – is it the case that the Freezer and Fridge would not be working from the moment that these lights started Flashing ?

Or is it possible that if the problem is being caused by a slight build up of Ice on a Sensor – if the Ice did clear that the Fridge Freezer would Reset itself because the Sensor could then operate – ?

I noted what You wrote about `Resetting the PCB` when powering off the Appliance and that an Intermittent Fault would not have been rectified but I cannot understand why for example any accumulated Ice on a Sensor would have dissipated when I turned the power back On a short time later ?

If any Ice was still on the Sensor just a short time after the Power Off would it not cause the Lights to still be Flashing when Power was restored ?

Also the Flashing Lights / whatever `Fault` is causing this are so intermittent that they have occurred more than 6 Months apart for the 3 times that this has happened.

I hope that Martin was not offended by Me asking for an explanation of what a `Full Defrost` would achieve – I was NOT questioning His knowledge and expertise – I just wanted to understand what His suggestion would do.

Thanks very much for your help with this.

Regards,

Chris

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Re: BOSCH CLASSIXX FRIDGE FREEZER – TEMPERATURE LIGHTS FLASH

“Hello again”,

Although I only posted this thread earlier Today I note that it has been read 66 times – I am guessing that this `Temperature settings light flashing` issue is NOT a `Known Fault`.

Perhaps I will get more replies.

Regards,

Chris

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Re: BOSCH CLASSIXX FRIDGE FREEZER – TEMPERATURE LIGHTS FLASH

Martin wrote:

CHRISX wrote:
I am very grateful for my Membership / involvement in this excellent White Goods Forum.

“Hello again CHRISX”

What rotten luck you are having eh, after all the problems with your washing machine. And now this….. Blimey! Annus horriblis even 🙁

Tell me, have you tried a Full defrost?

That is switch off, food/drink out, doors open and left to defrost thoroughly for 24 hrs.

Just a thought! 💡

“Hello Martin”,

Thanks for your message – the worst thing to happen this Month up to now was the 46″ TV malfunctioning – I could not find what I perceived to be a reputable / `Customer friendly` Repair Company so I had buy a New one – I am very irritated that the other TV might have been repairable for a reasonable price IF an inexpensive component needed replacing.

Could You let Me know what You think is causing the `Flashing Lights` scenario on my Fridge Freezer and what a `Full Defrost` would achieve in relation to the cause ?

I am assuming that even though I have a `Frost Free` Fridge Freezer there is still this `Full Defrost` procedure which would achieve something ?

I don`t really have the facility for storing my Freezer full of Food to do this.

Because these Lights have only Flashed 3 times in the last 2 Years with about 6 Months or more between occurrences it is obviously almost impossible for ME to identify what could be causing this without an Engineer / knowledgeable person already knowing of a `Known Fault` and letting Me know.

The Lights may not Flash again for 6 Months / a Year but I feel that at some point the cause will occur again and may not be able to be `Reset` – causing Me to have a Freezer full of Food which would have to be given away of thrown out.

Thanks again.

Regards,

Chris

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Re: HOTPOINT ULTIMA WT741 – ALL LIGHTS SOMETIMES FLASHING

“Hello again iadom”,

Thanks very much to You – your Colleagues the other Moderators and the Members of the Forum for this VERY Useful Washing Machine / White Goods Forum.

Regards,

Chris

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Re: HOTPOINT ULTIMA WT741 – ALL LIGHTS SOMETIMES FLASHING

“Hello again iadom”,

The reconditioned PCB from EMW was delivered in tact – the box was a good one and surprisingly [to Me] there was not a mark on it and it had not been squashed / dented at all – after my previous experiences I have been `Lucky` with a very Fragile item in the Post.

I fitted the PCB and as I expected after the information that I received from You the Washing Machine now works correctly again.

Thank You very much for your Help with this – I really appreciated your knowledge and `remote diagnosis` of the fault.

I did not want to carry out the replacement of the PCB myself to save money or because I did not want to get a Washing Machine Engineer to do it – it was because I find it almost impossible to have any time off work to be at Home to wait in and have an Engineer do the Repair.

As I am a Heating Engineer and well used to Electrical Safety when working on Gas Appliances / replacing PCB`s so I felt that IF I could get a fairly sure opinion of what Component / PCB [I wondered about the Display PCB] was causing the `All Lights Flashing` problem I should be well capable of replacing it.

Thanks again iadom – You and EMW have enabled Me to carry out the PCB replacement on an Evening to suit my work commitments and have my Washing Machine back in operation again.

Regards,

Chris

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Re: Hotpoint WMF945P dead

AFordGT wrote:I’m the OP, and I can confirm that the blue capacitor isn’t domed. It’s an illusion caused by the off centre cross stamped on the end of it.

Thanks for your help iadom.

“Hello AFordGT”,

Thanks for letting Me know that it is an illusion in the Photo.

I was not trying to `Hijack` your thread.

Good Luck in finding out what the problem with your Washing Machine is being caused by.

Regards,

Chris

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Re: Hotpoint WMF945P dead

iadom wrote:This is a different fault and is not the same capacitor that causes all the lights to flash. that capacitor may well be faulty but machine totally dead can have various pcb faults causing it.

“Hello again iadom”,

I did not explain myself well enough when I asked about the Capacitor in the Photo above:

I know that this PCB is not the same as the one in my Washing Machine – I know that this OP`s Washing Machines Fault is not the same as the Fault on my Machine.

I just wanted to know whether the Blue Capacitor in the Photo in the first message on this thread looks to be slightly `Domed` to You and would be a good Photographic example of a Faulty Capacitor ?

Sorry that I did not explain exactly this before.

Regards,

Chris

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Re: Hotpoint WMF945P dead

iadom wrote:Sounds very much like another pcb failure, the Indesit electronics in these very poor.

You could try EMW electronics who will test/repair the board for you.

“Hello iadom”,

Thanks very much again for your help on my thread about the Hotpoint Ultima WT741.

Regarding this thread – is what looks like slight `Doming` on the Blue Capacitor in the OP`s Photo above what You previously described as a definite sign that the Capacitor has malfunctioned ?

Perhaps this is just the way it has appeared from the angle of the Photo ?

I am asking because it seems an obvious sign to Me – after You informed Me about this – but You have not mentioned it in this case – ?

The slight Doming on the Capacitor on my machine`s PCB is not as noticeable as the one in the OP`s Photo.

Just curious to learn more – Thanks again.

Regards,

Chris

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Re: HOTPOINT ULTIMA WT741 – ALL LIGHTS SOMETIMES FLASHING

iadom wrote:If you can see even the slightest amount of doming then that capacitor has failed, I repaired one with the exact same fault only yesterday, yes I know I was working on a Bank Holiday. 🙂

“Hello again iadom”,

Thanks very much for your very quick reply Today and for confirming that even a very slight `Doming` of the Capacitor means that it has failed – I really appreciate it.

I must have been writing my other message about the way that Parcels can be treated when You posted it.

Thank You very much for your help with my Washing Machine Fault.

I will now Order the reconditioned PCB from EMW – I just HOPE that it arrives undamaged !

I realise that they send out many PCB`s Daily and I guess that they are `well packed` – so I will try to `think positive` about receiving My Order / PCB fully in tact – and that my Posting of the existing / exchange PCB to them goes equally well.

Thanks again iadom.

Regards,

Chris

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Re: HOTPOINT ULTIMA WT741 – ALL LIGHTS SOMETIMES FLASHING

“Hello iadom”,

PLEASE SEE MY PREVIOUS MESSAGE ABOVE FROM EARLIER TODAY ABOUT MY WASHING MACHINE.

Just as an aside regarding my previous statements about the problems that I have had with Postal / Carrier Deliveries in the past and the comments from Youself ans Member Andy Jones.

Here are some of the Packing & Shipping / Delivery information / instructions on His website from an Electronics Engineer that I have used for a repair to a Sky Digibox in the past:

QUOTE:

WHAT HAPPENS TO PARCELS:

These notes are important so please take the time to read and understand them. Most people have no appreciation of what happens to a parcel in transit and, as a result, I occasionally receive a box with a lot of pieces rattling inside which, unfortunately, I have to refuse or return unrepaired, with an invoice for carriage.

Imagine that your parcel is going to be thrown (not placed, THROWN) into a lorry. A hundred more parcels may then be thrown on top of it. Your parcel is now sitting beneath two hundredweight of other parcels, being joggled, bounced and squeezed as the lorry accelerates, decelerates and hits potholes, kerbs and anything else that gets in the way. You can write “fragile” in BIG letters but unfortunately, neither the lorry nor those other parcels can read! On arrival at the central depot the parcels are THROWN into a storage warehouse to be sorted for their various destinations. They undergo a lot more handling before finally being thrown onto another lorry to be transported to your local depot where they will be transferred to a delivery van. Oh, yes, and it’s *always* raining.

To be fair, most delivery drivers take good care of your property, but they are always in a hurry and parcels can get dropped. One parcel even fell out of a moving van onto the pavement and was delivered to my customer three days later by an honest passer-by who just happened to find it. Of course I’m painting the worst case scenario, but this is what you should bear in mind when packing your receiver.

END OF QUOTE

He has written this and put it onto His website after experiencing all of the above happening to Parcels that have been sent to His Business.

This is exactly the same treatment that many of my Parcels must have had – that I have both Sent and Received !

Regards,

Chris

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Re: HOTPOINT ULTIMA WT741 – ALL LIGHTS SOMETIMES FLASHING

“Hello again iadom”,

Thank You very much for being patient regarding the fact that my Enquiry / thread has become a bit drawn out because I was away from Home for about a week.

Today I removed the PCB from my Washing machine – unfortunately no matter what I tried regarding lighting etc. I could not capture a Photo of it that is well lit enough to show good definition – the 3 Photos that I did take are useless – but I wanted to attach them just to show that I did remove the PCB.

But when I tried to upload them I got the Error message that the File is too big – maximum File size 256 KiB – see attached screenshot.

I read previously about being able to see a slight `dome effect` on the Capacitor – I can just about see a slight rise on the top of the largest one in the group of 3 capacitors – is this the `known to become faulty` Capacitor ?

Even if I could have taken a decent Photo the `rise` on the top of the Capacitor would never have been visible – it is just too slight and I can only see it by looking sideways at it.

I am obviously hoping that it is definitely the PCB that is causing the `All Lights Flashing` [including the Time display] fault on the machine – is there anything else that it could be ?

EMW have identified the PCB as a `Mark 4` after I gave the Numbers that You suggested from the machines door label – and I have checked some letters on the existing PCB do correspond with a Picture of the Mark 4 PCB on their website.

As the reconditioned PCB`s are programmed to the Washing machine models I hope that it will be a `Fit and Fixed` Repair when I replace the faulty one.

Could You please do me a favour and post a brief reply – I would appreciate any comments as soon as You can please – I will not order the PCB until I have seen your reply – just in case there is some further information that I need to know about.

Thank You very much for your help with this iadom – I really appreciate it.

Regards,

Chris

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Re: HOTPOINT ULTIMA WT741 – ALL LIGHTS SOMETIMES FLASHING

iadom wrote:Only one way, down at the back, it will be obvious when you remove the small back panel. Be sure to make a very careful note of the wiring connections before you remove them, also make sure it has been unplugged for at least ten minutes just in case your machine does have the 3 phase motor in it.

Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

“Hello iadom”,

Thank You very much for your reply and the details about the location of the PCB and about having the machine unplugged for more than 10 minutes to ensure safety in case the motor is a 3 phase – I really appreciate your help.

I will also ensure that I carefully note the wiring connections before disconnecting them.

Because I am away from Home at present I will not be able to take out the PCB to photograph it until Monday or Tuesday at the earliest – I hope that You will still be able to reply to Me next week.

Thanks again.

Regards,

Chris

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Re: HOTPOINT ULTIMA WT741 – ALL LIGHTS SOMETIMES FLASHING

iadom wrote:A thought, can you take a decent quality picture of the component side of the pcb and post it in this thread, in most cases we should be able to see if the particular capacitor is faulty.

“Hello again iadom”,

Thanks for the suggestion – I am away from Home at present and will not be back there for a few Days – but when I return Home I will try to remove the PCB – take a Photo and post it on here.

I will be making finding and removing the PCB a priority then.

Could You please help Me with where the PCB is located within the machine – will I be able to see it when I take the back of the machine off ?

I am asking this in case there is another way of accessing the PCB ?

Thanks for your help.

Regards,

CHRISX

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Re: HOTPOINT ULTIMA WT741 – ALL LIGHTS SOMETIMES FLASHING

Andy jones wrote:Yep. Never had a problem with Emw. Been using them for years and years

“Hello Andy Jones”,

I have not mentioned that there might be any problem with purchasing a reconditioned PCB from EMW.

As I wrote to iadom above – I know that they will be sending the PCB by Post – but if it did get damaged I would expect them to replace it and then take up the matter of the damaged PCB with Royal Mail.

Regards,

CHRISX

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Re: HOTPOINT ULTIMA WT741 – ALL LIGHTS SOMETIMES FLASHING

iadom wrote:How do you think EMW are going to send the replacement pcb to you, why by post of course. I have sent countless pcb’s to and from EMW without any problem.

Sent from my hotel suite at the Radisson Blu Manchester. 8)

“Hello again iadom”,

You seem to have dismissed my point about Me having had many problems with sending and receiving fragile items in the Post ?

I can assure You that what I described and many more examples occurred.

I know the EMW will be sending the PCB by Post – BUT – IF it does get damaged before I receive it I would expect EMW to replace the PCB and take up the matter of the damaged one with Royal Mail.

They will have a stock of the reconditioned PCB`s – I only have the existing one from my Washing machine.

I am waiting to hear from EMW about the correct PCB for my machine.

Thanks again for your help – I really appreciate it.

I have not completely ruled out sending the PCB to You for replacing the Capacitor – it was ONLY my previous BAD experiences with Royal Mail / the Postal system that made Me reluctant – but at the very least I would have to know that I could send it to You by Royal Mail Special Delivery – so someone would have to be at your address to sign for the package.

And also We would have to arrange a suitable Post date for the PCB to sent back to Me by Royal Mail Special Delivery so that I could ensure that someone was at my Home to accept delivery and sign for it.

Your very nice offer to replace the Capacitor with an upgraded one [?] at Half the price that EMW charge for a reconditioned PCB – plus I think the Special Delivery charge for a small package has increased to over £6.00 = £12.00 for Send & Return would probably only be about £20.00 less that EMW would charge.

Thanks again.

CHRISX

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